I think most of us understand how things are. The problem is the one’s whose opinions matter don’t give a fuck about changing anything because they’re at the top of the hierarchy. They benefit from treating the rest of us like shit.
The ones at the top of the hierarchy aren’t the ones instilling these toxic ideals of masculinity in to young men. Parents and peers are perpetuating this on a personal level.
What about the mainstream media, which is almost entirely controlled by the 1%? And the corporations who advertise their curated versions of masculinity and femininity in order to make us feel inadequate so we buy more if their shit?
Obviously, parents and peers often buy into that garbage and impose that sams toxicity on boys and men, too, but thats because they’ve also been force-fed the same garbage everyone else has their entire lives. It’s a systemic problem.
Media perpetuates these ideals but they didn’t originate with them. These ideals of masculinity have been around for hundreds of years before the modern media.
No, but I never said that they originated with the media, either. Your original comment indicated that you were talking about the present, so that’s what I was referring to as well.
My point is that the media influences gender norms and expectations at least as much as—if not more than—parents and peers, and has done so for generations. As the media largely represents the ideals of those with power and money, those same people are effectively “instilling these toxic ideals of masculinity in to young men”.
You say yourself here, “the media influences gender norms… at least as much as”. Yeah, of course, it is a problem throughout all layers of society. Your earlier comment seemed to be saying that blame should be mostly with the 1%? I’m not sure what you are saying here.
Because if you don’t adhere to these ideals you won’t be successful in life. You won’t get anywhere in your career. Women aren’t going to date you. You’ll be bullied and beaten down at every turn. Until something changes at the top these parents and peers are doing them a favor.
I’ve rejected these ideals my whole life. I was bullied as a kid but once I got out of school I found my people and never looked back. Never had a problem with women, the ones I dated found my emotional openness attractive. I’m successful in my professional life, tech lead at a financial software company.
I understand that different places have different degrees of pressures for this kind of thing, but what you’re saying is a lie. You’ve been programmed by the system to believe it and it is probably making you miserable. And if you have kids, it’ll make them miserable too. It doesn’t have to be that way. I feel bad for you.
I think most of us understand how things are. The problem is the one’s whose opinions matter don’t give a fuck about changing anything because they’re at the top of the hierarchy. They benefit from treating the rest of us like shit.
It’s kind of a worthless statement really.
The ones at the top of the hierarchy aren’t the ones instilling these toxic ideals of masculinity in to young men. Parents and peers are perpetuating this on a personal level.
What about the mainstream media, which is almost entirely controlled by the 1%? And the corporations who advertise their curated versions of masculinity and femininity in order to make us feel inadequate so we buy more if their shit?
Obviously, parents and peers often buy into that garbage and impose that sams toxicity on boys and men, too, but thats because they’ve also been force-fed the same garbage everyone else has their entire lives. It’s a systemic problem.
Media perpetuates these ideals but they didn’t originate with them. These ideals of masculinity have been around for hundreds of years before the modern media.
No, but I never said that they originated with the media, either. Your original comment indicated that you were talking about the present, so that’s what I was referring to as well.
My point is that the media influences gender norms and expectations at least as much as—if not more than—parents and peers, and has done so for generations. As the media largely represents the ideals of those with power and money, those same people are effectively “instilling these toxic ideals of masculinity in to young men”.
You say yourself here, “the media influences gender norms… at least as much as”. Yeah, of course, it is a problem throughout all layers of society. Your earlier comment seemed to be saying that blame should be mostly with the 1%? I’m not sure what you are saying here.
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Because if you don’t adhere to these ideals you won’t be successful in life. You won’t get anywhere in your career. Women aren’t going to date you. You’ll be bullied and beaten down at every turn. Until something changes at the top these parents and peers are doing them a favor.
I’ve rejected these ideals my whole life. I was bullied as a kid but once I got out of school I found my people and never looked back. Never had a problem with women, the ones I dated found my emotional openness attractive. I’m successful in my professional life, tech lead at a financial software company.
I understand that different places have different degrees of pressures for this kind of thing, but what you’re saying is a lie. You’ve been programmed by the system to believe it and it is probably making you miserable. And if you have kids, it’ll make them miserable too. It doesn’t have to be that way. I feel bad for you.