• somePotato@sh.itjust.works
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    10 months ago

    “You only have another 2 or 3 months of unconditional support for your genocide before we start calling you out”

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    Once support erodes israel will be met with mild disapproval. They should be careful America might send them a strongly worded letter or two.

  • mlg@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Lol sure. The american military industrial complex will just throw away potential and active profits for the benefit of the world.

    It’ll erode when it loses value, which will either be if Israel magically collapses, or if they run out of money to pay for arms.

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      It’s been massively detrimental to Biden’s approval ratings, and nothing he does will win over the right. This is rapidly becoming a threat to the viability of the Democrats in an election.

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      10 months ago

      The government created this monster for a purpose, and this ain’t it. So I tend to find it somewhat credible, although disappointing in its hesitancy

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    10 months ago

    To Biden: WAVER LOUDER.

    You green lit this. Now wringing hands isn’t really the dark Brandon move - unless they back down. A week ago.

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      He unleashed hell by ‘unconditional’ support. All he had to do was to be nuanced and ask for a proportional response following the Geneva convention. And we’re still not talking about the long term effect this will have for his own country. And he was doing so well…

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    God these people are so out of touch with reality. Israel had it all, even support from millions of moderate muslims over the world. They lost it after what, day 3? We’re almost a month in and these assholes act if the world was supporting them all the time. Talk about forming the narrative. They’re so stupid they threw millions online for ads to support them and still lost public approval.

  • agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    10 months ago

    I guarantee that Israel funding is so important to him that either it will happen without congress or they’ll make concessions to republicans to get it done.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    10 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    President Joe Biden and his top advisers are warning Israel with growing force that it will become increasingly difficult for it to pursue its military goals in Gaza as global outcry intensifies about the scale of humanitarian suffering there.

    Behind the scenes, American officials also believe there is limited time for Israel to try to accomplish its stated objective of taking out Hamas in its current operation before uproar over the humanitarian suffering and civilian casualties – and calls for a ceasefire – reaches a tipping point.

    In fact, there is recognition within the administration that that moment may arrive quickly: Some of the president’s close advisers believe that there are only weeks, not months, until rebuffing the pressure on the US government to publicly call for a ceasefire becomes untenable, sources told CNN.

    Particularly jarring to Biden and his national security team, two sources familiar with the matter said, were Israeli airstrikes this week that targeted a refugee camp in northern Gaza, resulting in grim scenes of widespread destruction and deaths.

    Biden has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the relentless images of Palestinian women and children being pulled from rubble could start to narrow Israel’s ability to move forward with its current operation, according to senior administration officials.

    And that isn’t just limited to IDF’s operation in Gaza: In a call with Netanyahu on Sunday, Biden told the prime minister he was concerned about the surge in violence against Palestinians by Israeli settlers in the West Bank and was emphatic that that the attacks had to stop, according to a source briefed on the conversation.


    The original article contains 1,440 words, the summary contains 234 words. Saved 84%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      dropping support for biden because of this seems silly since biden is four years but the two supreme court justices that will almost certainly be picked in the next four years are forever.

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    Urban warfare against an entrenched enemy is a slow process. For example, recently it took Russia three months to completely capture Mariupol despite a willingness to inflict civilian casualties and disregard international opinion. Israel is much more constrained in both ways. I hope they have a plan for reaching their objectives quickly enough - a premature ceasefire would mean many people dead but very little accomplished.

    Israeli leaders understand that, but they had to take internal politics into account as well. “We’re not going to invade Gaza because we want to avoid international condemnation” would not have been acceptable to the majority of the people even if it were a good idea. I’m worried that this might have pushed them towards a course of action that they won’t be able to complete successfully.

    (I also wonder if in a perverse way, pressure to finish the war quickly actually leads to more civilian casualties. People’s emotions don’t process numbers very well, so a shorter but bloodier war may hurt Israel’s international relations less than a longer but less bloody one. This incentivizes acting quickly rather than taking the time to wait for better circumstances.)

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      For example, recently it took Russia three months to completely capture Mariupol despite a willingness to inflict civilian casualties and disregard international opinion. Israel is much more constrained in both ways.

      Israel has killed roughly as many civilians in the last month as were killed in Ukraine throughout the entire conflict. It’s preposterous to say Israel is more restrained in causing civilian casualties.

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          The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights puts the number at 9,701 confirmed, though they do admittedly believe the true number is likely to be much higher. The Prosecutor General of Ukraine puts the confirmed number at 10,749, though they also think the real number is higher.

          Regardless of whether a single month of Israel’s war is roughly equal or only a third of the total casualties for a 21-month long invasion, once you started arguing that ~10,000 dead in a month is “restrained” you really should have considered how you got to that point.

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            It’s a relative valuation; restraint means the numbers could have been much higher, but aren’t. There are a lot of tactics Israel is capable of using and didn’t. They notify people before strikes. They demarcate which zones need to be evacuated. They are attacking military targets and not civilians. Restraint.

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              They “demarcated” all of northern Gaza. And then they bombed the south too. There are no warnings happening. And their “military” targets claim is trash. They didn’t know the invasion was happening and clearly don’t know where Hamas are. They’ve been destroying single homes of journalists, blowing up ambulances evacuating patients from hospitals they’re also threatening to bomb. There’s no reason at all to trust Israel when they claim every single building they destroy was housing Hamas.

              That they haven’t simply razed every square inch of Gaza to the ground (or fucking nuked it like one minister suggested) doesn’t make it “restrained”.

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    Strange thing. Gaza is running out of all sorts of things, but not rockets. 28 days into the war, Hamas is still firing on central Israel