Israel’s response has already killed thousands of innocent people. Why is it necessary? Is a mass bombing of residential areas the only response to an attack? In the first night of bombing they leveled entire villages in Palestine. Whole families were killed, who had no connection to Hamas or any militant group.
It’s not only unnecessary, but won’t even work to destroy Hamas. A supporter of Hamas could just as easily say that the brutality of their attack was necessary to destroy the Zionist government of Israel.
Personally I wouldn’t know how to make an argument one way or another. But to draw a modern equivalent, did Russia need to level Mariupol in order to capture it? They’ve been widely condemned for it.
If the allies had held back, we would not have definitively answered the question. Since our forefathers tried despite not knowing if it would work or not, though, we can use the knowledge they purchased for the future.
We should not wish to not have it, though, even though it was very expensive. We know now. That is important. They earned that for us.
I felt like I was going crazy here in the US, as the media was beating the drums of war hard and dipshits were all over the place with huge American flags flying on their trucks. There may have been some protests, but I remember just about everyone feeling it was justified. It was bizarre.
The media called it the war on terror for a while. And people were for the most part very patriotic. I don’t think there was a ton of resistance to it here.
Yeah, I said a lot justified it, that doesn’t mean there weren’t sane people wondering why the fuck we were in Iraq even though it was terrorists from Afghanistan (And Saudi Arabia) that attacked the US.
The orders for 9/11 were given from Al Qaeda which just happened to be based in Afghanistan. The US went after the leadership of Al Qaeda (eventually), thus Afghanistan. It wasn’t a war against the Afghanis, it was a war against Al Qaeda.
Not at all. Hopefully the world will wake up soon. They were their first. Israel is using religion as their right to be there, and cherry-picking versus out of the Bible to back up their cause. These are human beings, not terrorists.
Do you think that wiping out a bunch of Palestinians who had nothing to do with Hamas is justified? The majority of people under attack right now aren’t terrorists.
I totally agree with you that Hamas needs to go, but I don’t think the IDF is going about it in the right way. For every Hamas soldier that they kill, they are killing innocent civilians. The survivors are going to be radicalized.
Here’s the thing, Hamas isn’t giving them a choice. They’re lying to the people saying not to leave. They’re using them as human shields, we see it in the videos.
And let’s be clear here. Israel has no choice. This isn’t the US going into Iraq, Israel faces an existential threat from Hamas and Iran in the region. Not taking action means death for more Israelis.
Israel is abiding by the rules of war in the region, not the Western ideal of war. You’re going to see the equivalent of a jihad here and frankly, fuck Hamas for forcing their hand in doing it.
This is all because Israel was becoming accepted in the region. If they’re not going to be accepted, they’re going to guarantee their survival.
I don’t know if I would call 20% a fraction, but you are right to say the total number of bombs dropped in Iraq by the US and UK was higher. I think it’s good to remember that the 30,000ish dropped in Iraq was over 8 years. Israel have reportedly used more than 6000 in less than a week.
I don’t have numbers to hand but I’d posit a guess that it’s significantly less.
Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not trying to defend them. What happened last week is pretty indefensible by any reasonable person. I can see the motivations and frustrations but it’ was flat out wrong. Terrorism. However, as a democratic nation with a much more organised military and government, a lot more is expected of Israel. They have every right to seek some recompense but they’ve taken it too far. Further than the US and UK did.
As long as there is injustice to exploit terrorists will never run out of recruits. What do you think will happen to all those kids who witnessed the bombings? Do you think they’ll agree it was justified?
I’m not even saying that some kind of violent response wouldn’t have been justified, but if you actually want to stop terrorism, this isn’t the way. It’s adding fuel to a fire
Looks like a totally reasonable response.
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Targetted attacks hitting terrorist hideouts!
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Have a look at pictures of Berlin after WW2 sometime.
Civilians are the first and last to suffer in war. That does not mean a war is not justified or necessary.
The Geneva Convention was a direct result of the horrors of WWII.
Yes, and one of the things it deems a war crime is collective punishment.
https://www.reuters.com/world/un-experts-say-israels-strikes-gaza-amount-collective-punishment-2023-10-12/
Yep. I guess it doesn’t count if you don’t recognise a nation as a country though, right? 🫤
Israel’s response has already killed thousands of innocent people. Why is it necessary? Is a mass bombing of residential areas the only response to an attack? In the first night of bombing they leveled entire villages in Palestine. Whole families were killed, who had no connection to Hamas or any militant group.
It is necessary to destroy Hamas, Hamas made it necessary.
It’s not only unnecessary, but won’t even work to destroy Hamas. A supporter of Hamas could just as easily say that the brutality of their attack was necessary to destroy the Zionist government of Israel.
Look how well that worked out in Ireland
Strategic bombing was widely put into question after wwii
The allies should have held back.
Personally I wouldn’t know how to make an argument one way or another. But to draw a modern equivalent, did Russia need to level Mariupol in order to capture it? They’ve been widely condemned for it.
Russia didn’t need to enter the borders of Ukraine at all.
If the allies had held back, we would not have definitively answered the question. Since our forefathers tried despite not knowing if it would work or not, though, we can use the knowledge they purchased for the future.
We should not wish to not have it, though, even though it was very expensive. We know now. That is important. They earned that for us.
A fraction of what the US did to Iraq after 9/11.
Proportional response to terrorism seems to only be called for when it’s Jews being slaughtered.
Hamas hides under ground. This is just clearing the way, once the ground forces move in, they’ll clear the rest.
Both things can be wrong at the same time.
I’ve literally never heard anyone justifying the US reaction to 9/11 before. Do you really believe that was an appropriate response?
Going to the wrong country and blowing it apart when Afghanistan and Pakistan were the culprits?
YES
Now no, but back when it was current there was a lot.
It caused the biggest protest march in history in the UK. I thought it was the same in the US.
I felt like I was going crazy here in the US, as the media was beating the drums of war hard and dipshits were all over the place with huge American flags flying on their trucks. There may have been some protests, but I remember just about everyone feeling it was justified. It was bizarre.
There were big protests in DC. I’m fairly apolitical but I was out there with a sign and everything.
Even standing there with all those people, though, I remember thinking “this will make no difference in the end.”
Americans are a bit weird with their enthusiasm for all things military.
I mean, that IS where a good chunk of their propoganda is targeted towards achieving
The media called it the war on terror for a while. And people were for the most part very patriotic. I don’t think there was a ton of resistance to it here.
Yeah, I said a lot justified it, that doesn’t mean there weren’t sane people wondering why the fuck we were in Iraq even though it was terrorists from Afghanistan (And Saudi Arabia) that attacked the US.
There wasn’t a single Afghani on any of those planes
The orders for 9/11 were given from Al Qaeda which just happened to be based in Afghanistan. The US went after the leadership of Al Qaeda (eventually), thus Afghanistan. It wasn’t a war against the Afghanis, it was a war against Al Qaeda.
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Over 300 children were killed by Israeli bombings in the first night in response to the attack. You are telling me that is a justified reaction?
Not at all. Hopefully the world will wake up soon. They were their first. Israel is using religion as their right to be there, and cherry-picking versus out of the Bible to back up their cause. These are human beings, not terrorists.
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That’s a pretty brutal thing to say.
War is brutal. Hamas should have thought twice before starting one.
Do you think that wiping out a bunch of Palestinians who had nothing to do with Hamas is justified? The majority of people under attack right now aren’t terrorists.
I totally agree with you that Hamas needs to go, but I don’t think the IDF is going about it in the right way. For every Hamas soldier that they kill, they are killing innocent civilians. The survivors are going to be radicalized.
Here’s the thing, Hamas isn’t giving them a choice. They’re lying to the people saying not to leave. They’re using them as human shields, we see it in the videos.
And let’s be clear here. Israel has no choice. This isn’t the US going into Iraq, Israel faces an existential threat from Hamas and Iran in the region. Not taking action means death for more Israelis.
Israel is abiding by the rules of war in the region, not the Western ideal of war. You’re going to see the equivalent of a jihad here and frankly, fuck Hamas for forcing their hand in doing it.
This is all because Israel was becoming accepted in the region. If they’re not going to be accepted, they’re going to guarantee their survival.
I don’t know if I would call 20% a fraction, but you are right to say the total number of bombs dropped in Iraq by the US and UK was higher. I think it’s good to remember that the 30,000ish dropped in Iraq was over 8 years. Israel have reportedly used more than 6000 in less than a week.
How many have Hamas fired into Israel/ been caught in the iron dome the past few years?
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I don’t have numbers to hand but I’d posit a guess that it’s significantly less.
Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not trying to defend them. What happened last week is pretty indefensible by any reasonable person. I can see the motivations and frustrations but it’ was flat out wrong. Terrorism. However, as a democratic nation with a much more organised military and government, a lot more is expected of Israel. They have every right to seek some recompense but they’ve taken it too far. Further than the US and UK did.
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5,000+ - on the first day.
However, they are far less powerful compared to a JDAM or as accurate as a guided missile.
5000 in a day. That’s a wild amount. The lack of accuracy is what makes them terrorists.
Please seriously think on what you’re saying about your fellow human beings here.
I’m seriously considering why you think a terrorist deserves to live, when their explicit goal is to murder an entire race of people.
This madness stops when Hamas is destroyed.
As long as there is injustice to exploit terrorists will never run out of recruits. What do you think will happen to all those kids who witnessed the bombings? Do you think they’ll agree it was justified?
I’m not even saying that some kind of violent response wouldn’t have been justified, but if you actually want to stop terrorism, this isn’t the way. It’s adding fuel to a fire
Isn’t the Israeli goal to completely depopulate Gaza at this point?
The US will continue to provide bullets until the Palestinians give up on killing their children.
That’s the reality you need to accept because that’s the reality of the region.
It’s really too bad that Israel has spent 27 years funding Hamas.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
So you’re saying they shouldn’t provide aide?
Now that they’ve cut off aide, are you also saying they should be providing aide?
What a joke. Israel cares more about Palestinian civilians than Hamas does.