Haven’t heard any “ten Hag out” voices yet, thankfully, but when do people start blaming him?
Yeah, injuries are bad, but that happens to all clubs. Are they trying too hard and forgetting the fundamentals, especially at defending? Lack of effort?
Why not put in the young guys? They’ll definitely give the required effort to impress.
I don’t know, I’m just pissed at my team.
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When he is the obvious problem with the club, which won’t happen until the rat faced cunts sell.
What do they have to do with the performances and results? They don’t pick the team and tell them how to play.
their failure to manage to club leaves managers with a patchwork squad where players simply don’t fit together, remember Ole didn’t say much about the Glazers and how the club is run but he said one thing, Sancho was identified as a Right-winger of choice and when he arrived he told Ole he prefers playing on the left. that’s the kind of incompetence ETH is surrounded with.
Last season was built on the defensive output of Case-Licha and Varane
Casemiro has been simply not the same since his second red card and has been rather awful this season.
Licha is out.
he has no left-backs.
one thing you can blame him for I guess is continuing to play Casemiro instead of putting Lindelof at LB and playing Maguire and Amrabat at 6.
but the team is visibly mentally fragile as it has been for a long time.
Honestly I am losing faith in even Bruno, I don’t remember him ever stepping up in a “big game” meaning a game with a lot of pressure, but I do remember him shouting at Dalot, Casemiro, Antony etc.
The team being mentally fragile is the manager’s problem though. It’s his job to create that confidence in the squad. If they believed in the system they wouldn’t capitulate as easy.
Look I really want Ten Hag to work, but we seem to be the only fans in the world that deflect blame away from the manager until the situation is untenable.
I’d agree if this was a new phenomenon, the team has been capitulating for years now, it can’t be always the managers fault can it?
It’s not as simple as that. Multiple managers can fail in different ways, it could well be that we still haven’t found the right person to helm the club, it’s a ginormous job which requires a certain approach. There aren’t that many managers ever that have won the league with United.
I’m not saying this is definitely the case, but I’m also not absolving Erik Ten Hag of all blame just based on the fact his predecessors also struggled. That’s not causal logic.
It’s like saying Rishi Sunak isn’t shit because Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss also failed.
the issue is we are trying to find the one person to helm the club, football has long moved past that model and United should too, but while glazers are doing the appointments it’s not gonna happen.
that’s just the reality of the situation shit rolls downhill.
like what do yoh expect will happen if ETH gets sacked? we get a new manager, will he have the same tactics as ten hag? I doubt it, what willl we do with the players that were bought specifically to fit into ETH’s system?
even if we get a new manager bounce and make into CL next season then what? next season the team will crumble under pressure again and we can rinse and repeat.
I hope never.
It’ll happen eventually, and then we’ll be back at square 1. If it was up to me he’d be here next season too at least. The club and players are a shambles. No point bringing a new manager in just so we’re in the same position in 2 years.
Let ten Hag do whatever he wants to do. If it works out great, if not at least we gave him more of a chance than our other managers.
It could get quite bad though, the worse it gets the less likely players will sign for us in the future, we lose sponsorship money and we start sliding towards bein consistently worse than we already are.
Tbh I don’t want to sign 80-90 mil players anymore. If it gets to the point where no one wants to join us and we actually need to scout properly, that’s better imo. Sick and tired of these big egos.
We miss out on every top target already and you want to exacerbate that problem?
Well tbh I’m tired of getting top targets and have them completely underperform. Id rather pay 10 mil for a winger that pits effort on than 80 mil for Sancho.
We don’t get top targets any more. Sancho was the only one and it took us 3 transfer windows.
New manager wont fix anything. We need better players
at least we need the players we have back, Amrabat-Lindelof to Shaw Licha is no small upgrade
Better players? Palace has better players? Galatasaray has better players? The teams we’ve lost to don’t have better players than us.
Maybe certain players are not better in terms of skill, but they definitely have more of a winning mentality, unlike Man United’s goofballs. Yes we have a lot of injuries right now but those same injured players don’t have the anywhere near the same fighting mentality of people like Vidic and Rooney.
A perfect example of a mediocre player with a winning mentality was Fellaini. He was very mediocre but he at least tried his best every single time he played.
Thanks for clarifying what you meant by “better.” LOL There’s no fight in these guys when it starts getting tough. No real leadership.
I am really hoping ETH succeeds here. If results don’t start picking up though I’m worried he’ll be sacked.
I still think he’s a good manager and could be successful here given enough time. Let’s not forget that arsenal were a shambles for multiple seasons under Arteta. Even Liverpool under Klop were struggling with injuries and a poor start to last season.
I am beginning to lose patience. I know the Glazers are the real rot in the club but he is not helping himself with the tactics and set up. Mount/Bruno/Case doesn’t work as a midfield, we get carved apart too easily on the counter.
I’m not saying there is an obvious solution but 5 losses in 7 is bad no matter who your manager is.
it doesn’t work mainly due to Casemiro, he keeps giving away the ball with his stupid passes in positions where you can’t really afford to give away the ball then it looks like we are being carved apart when in reality it’s just what happens when you make technical errora you shouldn’t be making.
and then he failed to track his man multiple times who then scored from a cutback pass.
against Brighton he was finally taken off as punishment Bruno played as 6 and did the same thing, didn’t track Pedro and he scored from a cut back.
these are errors that are simply on the players, no matter the tactics if you keep fucking up the basics.
Ole said the same thing, people get too int9 the tactics side of things but if you keep losing duels, put in less effort than the opposition then tactics doesn’t matter, there is no tactics that can make that work.
Yes I agree but Erik Ten Hag should be aware of his weaknesses and set up to compensate don’t you think? He’s still playing him as though he’s prime Casemiro.
yeah I said elsewhere that I guess the main thing to criticize him for is playing Casemiro, though to be fair for most games Amrabat wasn’t here to cover then he used him at LB, and other options are like, Mctominay who looked just as bad or worse than Casemiro.
I guess I would have played Lindelof RB and Maguire-Varane and Amrabat instead of case but we are really stretching where the weakness will be in the team.
simply too many injuries
I think Dalot can play LB so with Lindelof at RB that would’ve freed Amrabat to push back into midfield, but Ten Hag seems hesitant to push Lindelof to the flanks. I guess he was rightly worried about Zaha.
yeah it’s not like Lindelof is much better as a LB/RB so it’s basically pick your poison and tbf again, Casemiro does score goals unlike a lot of other players.
Was thinking a Bruno/Case/Amrabat or Mount/Case/Amrabat midfield would stop us getting carved like swiss cheese and free up Casemiro’s defensive responsibilities a bit as like you said he’s decent at scoring goals. But EtH seems deadset on having two creative midfielders, both of whom can’t defend, which I don’t think always works or is necessary. I think trying to shoehorn Mount and Bruno in the middle is causing more imbalance than our defensive woes.
That’s why Hannibal has started getting time, because he’s an attacking midfielder who is also a workhorse. I think when you play with two creators, at least one needs to be covering every blade of grass.
mount defends, he is a very good presser.
The last thing we want to do is turn on the manager, he is dealing with enough problems that have been inflicted on him already. The external problems with Greenwood and Anthony! The massive list of injuries we started the season with. The terrible job that was done in the transfer window behind the scenes, i.e. expecting to move on Maguire etc. But they are still here. He just hasn’t had a chance to build his team without everything else conspiring against him. Feel bad for him and the team as a whole.
Unfortunately no quick fix, wellyjust have to be patient. 🥺
