The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.

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    You can’t blame 3rd party / nonvoters for the faults of republican voters. Mentality like that is why we are stuck with point number 1.

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        Who you or I vote for is not going to stop a second January 6th, it isn’t going to change the plans in project 2025, the question is no longer about duely elected politicians, there is a high chance that Trump could be barred from running due to his actions on Jan 6th, but that doesn’t change angry confused people’s minds.

        If you don’t want to make america Florida convince a Trumper he’s bad don’t attack people who already know it.

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          Weren’t you just talking about 3rd party/nonvoters? Because if they’re truly seeing fascism on the rise and then not voting against it they’re very much not the people who truly “know Trump is bad”.

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            I was, voteing 3rd party is voting against fascism, unless trump ends up running 3rd party then it could go either way. There is more than just us and them, there are people inbetween, and treating them like the enemy is not how we get out of this mess.

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              It literally isn’t, because it has no impact on whether a fascist gets elected.

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                So why aren’t you out in Ukraine planning a covert mission to assassinate putin? By not fighting him you have no impact on if a fascist takes over the world.

                Its a stupid argument it’s not just yes or no.

                you are playing into the fascists game by ignoring the other possibilities.

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                  I’m not claiming I’m helping to eliminate the Russian fascist. You’re claiming your vote is helping to prevent it domestically.

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                    I’m claiming that you can’t blame people who didn’t vote for fascism for fascism.

                    You are claiming that people who don’t vote how you want them to are helping to bring forth fascism.

                    following that logic by not fighting in Ukraine you too are giving rise to domestic fascism in that putin could one day become a fascist dictator of America if not stopped.

                    by not stopping him you too support fascism in America.

                    Edit: Don’t let billionaires divide us, you are better than that, Republicans are better than that, I believe you want the best for america just like they do, you are both just confused on how to do it and who the actual enemies of democracy are.

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      Sure I can. Every eligible voter who did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 shares partial blame for Trump winning. Less than people who voted for Trump, but more then none at all.

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        Personally I would put more blame on the democrats for not fielding a better candidate that could have beaten trump not the people who didn’t vote for a shit candidate

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          That’s too many layers of assumptions. I can tell you for a fact that not voting for Hillary lead directly to Trump winning in 2020. We have no idea how another candidate would have done running against him in the general.

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            Well first yes we do based on Biden winning 2020.

            Secondly Voting for trump directly lead to trump winning. At best not voting for Hillary indirectly Lead to trump winning.

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              No you cannot compare running against Trump in 2016 to running against him in 2020. I knew how terrible he was in 2016, but a lot of people had to see it to believe it. Even a few weeks can flip an election. Hillary very well could have won without the idiotic weekend announcement before Election Day of meaningless information by the FBI.

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                I agree that a lot of people had to see trump as president before they knew he was a bad president.

                i just disagree with blaming people who didn’t vote for trump for trump being elected.

                hell I kinda disagree with blaming trump supporters for trumps actions. the people I know that like him are old, uneducated, rural, or deeply Christian, they don’t know how to think critically. They don’t question the news they get and they only get news from a single source that tells them they are right. they are in a cult, and in a cult the cultists are victims. the leaders are the ones to blame.

                Fox News, oan, tucker Carlson, Donal trump are the people to blame for trumps presidency, Jan 6th and project 2025 not the people who voted for him, and certainly not the people who didn’t vote for him.

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                  It has nothing to do with being uneducated. Kindness doesn’t require a college degree. Trump has always been a bully, and he ran on being a bully. Someone was ok with that is ok to be blamed imo. I put some blame not all.

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                    That’s the tricky part of a cult, you get convinced to do things you wouldn’t normally do. The trump supporters I know raised their kids to be better, but were just vulnerable enough to be convinced that Trump would bully the bullies and protect the weak, which was a complete lie.

                    I empathize and hope for them to have the strength to let go of their brain washing and work to fix what has been broken.