“The allies were too aggressive against the Nazis it really put me off”
This is what all these bullshit arguments sound like to me.
You have one side wanting to violate the humans rights and privacy of a marginalized group. The other side either wants to help this group or at bare minimum ignore them and let them live peacefully. One of these is aggressive. The other is just basic fucking decency.
Not really. We’re talking about a marginalized group having their rights violated. It’s not my fault the most famous modern example of this that happened less than a century ago is Nazi Germany.
Sorry, when you have GOP politicians and mouthpieces, PROMINENT ones at that, stating that their goal is the “eradication” of transgenderism as a concept, it gets a LOT easier to see where we would make a comparison to the Holocaust.
The fact that you think it’s centrism or extremism and nothing in between shows how little you should be speaking and how much you should be listening.
Yep, you’re right. There’s clearly no difference in terms of proximity to reality between climate change deniers and the consensus of scientists. .
There’s clearly no difference between those responsible for major political violence and those with considerably less. Clearly impossible to use math to tally the difference. Amirite?
Clearly, believing in democracy versus overthrowing fair elections are also equidistant to truth and sanity.
Clearly no difference either between one wing espousing bleach and ivermectin and anti-vaxx hysteria while the other side has the vast majority of consensus of physicians and scientists on their side. Golly. This is tough!
Why do you only pick the extreme right and not the extreme left in your examples? Radical communists are also all about overthrowing the government. I’m not saying that all communists are radical, but they exist. Extremists from all sides are the minority I’d say.
Because 76 million people aren’t voting for an ultra-leftist. But they’re voting for an ultra right-wing nutjob.
Because you can’t even fill your fingers of communist driven politically motivated homicides on one hand but I’d lose boredom counting the number of right-wing extremist acts of politically-motivated homicides.
Because, clearly, the right-wing wing extreme is the fat greater threat. That you even propose this speaks to the very sensationalist arguments of McCarthyism itself, peddled by none other but right-wing extremists.
It is thus a blatant false equivalence fallacy, and right-wing extremism is causing overwhelmingly more damage to this country than any other group.
Ah, so you’re talking about the 2016 elections. In that case fair enough, I assumed you were talking about the political spectrum in general. I agree with you that right-wing extremism is very threatening. I also got sucked into the echo chamber when I wanted to learn more about Covid when it started, and it influenced me so much that I remained in there until about half a year ago. That stuff didn’t do my brain well in retrospect.
Now that I’m out of it I learned that the whole reason the echo chamber exists is because of an extreme fear of change, to the point where it becomes dangerous. Fear of “wokeness”, fear of an elite group trying to take over the world and trying to brainwash everyone with their perverted transhumanist ideologies, fear of other people that have been manipulated by this elitist group. These examples are not what I believe now, but I did very recently.
I’ve also learnt that completely dismissing them from the outside only leads them deeper into the echo chamber where they find comfort, as I’ve experienced first hand. It’s a tricky issue, but I think a big part of solving it is by not dismissing them straight up, as they have the idea that everyone is against them already.
This seems to suggest that the default position on rights is to deny them unless the marginalized group makes a convincing enough case for acceptance, politely. This, incidentally, is what put me off the term “acceptance” as a positive thing. As someone whose right to exist isn’t questioned daily, it shouldn’t be my right to decide whom to accept or “tolerate” (ew) but my moral duty to celebrate, welcome, and build up. The notion of a group being able to sit undisturbed while marginalized people make arguments for their rights, but never in a way that offend or discomfort me, is … bad.
I agree in theory, but in real life, there are some pretty heinous marginalized groups out there. I don’t think LGBT should be counted as some of them, but everyone agrees that there are SOME groups that absolutely should have to prove that they deserve certain rights before those rights can be extended. That’s what laws are.
Is this rant of yours supposed to convince centrists to transit to extreme wings of spectrum?
In what way is the “left” in the posted meme an extreme?
In case of this meme - in the way of aggressiveness.
“The allies were too aggressive against the Nazis it really put me off”
This is what all these bullshit arguments sound like to me.
You have one side wanting to violate the humans rights and privacy of a marginalized group. The other side either wants to help this group or at bare minimum ignore them and let them live peacefully. One of these is aggressive. The other is just basic fucking decency.
Here we are again with the Godwin law :)
Not really. We’re talking about a marginalized group having their rights violated. It’s not my fault the most famous modern example of this that happened less than a century ago is Nazi Germany.
But conservatives aren’t “Nazi Germany” and trans aren’t Jews in Dachau.
That comparison of yours was bad taste, to say the least.
Now imagine if the Nazis were never able to get that far because the rest of the citizens started fighting for the Jews?
That’s how it’s similar. No trans people aren’t taking trains yet
history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood
Sorry, when you have GOP politicians and mouthpieces, PROMINENT ones at that, stating that their goal is the “eradication” of transgenderism as a concept, it gets a LOT easier to see where we would make a comparison to the Holocaust.
You are downplaying Holocaust by that comparison. Disgusting.
Trans are some of the first people the Nazis went after. History rhymes, it turns out.
The fact that you think it’s centrism or extremism and nothing in between shows how little you should be speaking and how much you should be listening.
Dividing political spectrum by left, central and right parts is pretty common approach.
Also, this post is about particular meme, which is comparing centrism and extremities.
The American left is globally considered to be on the right, so your “extreme wing” argument is comparing the far right to the middle right.
The fallacy you make here is believing the wings are equidistant from truth.
“Truth”? It’s society, not physics. There’s no universal casted in iron “truth”. There’re points of view.
Yep, you’re right. There’s clearly no difference in terms of proximity to reality between climate change deniers and the consensus of scientists. .
There’s clearly no difference between those responsible for major political violence and those with considerably less. Clearly impossible to use math to tally the difference. Amirite?
Clearly, believing in democracy versus overthrowing fair elections are also equidistant to truth and sanity.
Clearly no difference either between one wing espousing bleach and ivermectin and anti-vaxx hysteria while the other side has the vast majority of consensus of physicians and scientists on their side. Golly. This is tough!
/s
Why do you only pick the extreme right and not the extreme left in your examples? Radical communists are also all about overthrowing the government. I’m not saying that all communists are radical, but they exist. Extremists from all sides are the minority I’d say.
Because 76 million people aren’t voting for an ultra-leftist. But they’re voting for an ultra right-wing nutjob.
Because you can’t even fill your fingers of communist driven politically motivated homicides on one hand but I’d lose boredom counting the number of right-wing extremist acts of politically-motivated homicides.
Because, clearly, the right-wing wing extreme is the fat greater threat. That you even propose this speaks to the very sensationalist arguments of McCarthyism itself, peddled by none other but right-wing extremists.
It is thus a blatant false equivalence fallacy, and right-wing extremism is causing overwhelmingly more damage to this country than any other group.
Ah, so you’re talking about the 2016 elections. In that case fair enough, I assumed you were talking about the political spectrum in general. I agree with you that right-wing extremism is very threatening. I also got sucked into the echo chamber when I wanted to learn more about Covid when it started, and it influenced me so much that I remained in there until about half a year ago. That stuff didn’t do my brain well in retrospect.
Now that I’m out of it I learned that the whole reason the echo chamber exists is because of an extreme fear of change, to the point where it becomes dangerous. Fear of “wokeness”, fear of an elite group trying to take over the world and trying to brainwash everyone with their perverted transhumanist ideologies, fear of other people that have been manipulated by this elitist group. These examples are not what I believe now, but I did very recently.
I’ve also learnt that completely dismissing them from the outside only leads them deeper into the echo chamber where they find comfort, as I’ve experienced first hand. It’s a tricky issue, but I think a big part of solving it is by not dismissing them straight up, as they have the idea that everyone is against them already.
These are weak manipulations. Don’t do that.
On the contrary, these dismantle your argument completely. Don’t deflect.
… if that will keep you from aggression - sure.
I believe that water boils at 12°C at normal room pressure
You somehow missed first part of the sentence.
It’s not their responsibility to educate centrists.
Such a toxic approach isn’t productive. Don’t make an enemy from one, who are not. Inform them, if you want a support. And not in an aggressive way.
“Hey I want the right to exist peacefully”
“Ehhhhh idk I need more information on why you think you deserve that”
😐
This seems to suggest that the default position on rights is to deny them unless the marginalized group makes a convincing enough case for acceptance, politely. This, incidentally, is what put me off the term “acceptance” as a positive thing. As someone whose right to exist isn’t questioned daily, it shouldn’t be my right to decide whom to accept or “tolerate” (ew) but my moral duty to celebrate, welcome, and build up. The notion of a group being able to sit undisturbed while marginalized people make arguments for their rights, but never in a way that offend or discomfort me, is … bad.
I agree in theory, but in real life, there are some pretty heinous marginalized groups out there. I don’t think LGBT should be counted as some of them, but everyone agrees that there are SOME groups that absolutely should have to prove that they deserve certain rights before those rights can be extended. That’s what laws are.
And to attack centrists is better?
If someone calling you an asshole for not supporting someone’s right to exist is an attack then yes go fuck yourself with a brick.
Wow, that really made me a supporter of your position.
As though you were ever going to be.
What is the “centrist” position between murdering people who undeniably exist vs. not murdering them?
Meme from the post doesn’t put the point there, don’t exaggerate, please.