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A police officer has been filmed kicking and stamping on the head of a man lying on the ground at Manchester Airport.
The uniformed male officer is seen holding a Taser over the man, who is lying face down, before striking him twice while other officers shout at onlookers to stay back in a video shared widely online.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said firearms officers had been attacked while attempting to arrest someone following a fight in the airport’s Terminal 2 on Tuesday. It said it had referred itself to the police watchdog.
Anger has grown over the video and a crowd of what appeared to be several hundred people protested outside the police station in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, on Wednesday evening.
How can we fight back against the police, when they never face consequences, but we do?
They just have to not reach for pots of boiling water after threatening to use it as a weapon.
That’s eems reasonable…
Does it? Is a rebuking a threat with a weapon? Why doesn’t the militaries just have shoot if you’re scared rules but USA police do?
As to your last sentence…because Leavenworth. Soldiers have real rules to follow and if you fuck up it goes from bad to worse for you real quick. Granted the military has its own issues but these pigs took our hand me down MRAPs and none of the ROE.
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You are starting to get that slippery slope thing. If you give humans power for some purpose, the purpose is washed away after some time, but the power isn’t, and it forms its own interests.
Police casually killing civilians still fulfills the interest of keeping the existing order. Cause somebody has given to the state that “monopoly on violence” thing.
And it’s interesting how other barbaric rules, like “insulting the king gets your tongue cut out”, or “touching royalty gets your hand hewed off”, or “not bowing in time gets you beheaded”, have been abolished, but “the king can kill you any time, but since you are his property, he’ll also kill outsiders trying to hurt you” still persists.
I don’t know if your last sentence was put together enough to be understandable.
Again, I think if a person was 5/6 feet away from a military man with loaded gun, and they threatened the military man, and he raised his weapon and threatened to shoot them if they attempt to throw the boiling water in them… Yeah, I think they would have equally protected themselves.
Rebuking is not a threat. You and the cop do not know what rebuke means.
He overreacted to a word which means “I’m disapproving strongly.”
I was more referring to the ignoring the cops requests as she walked over and picked up a pot of boiling water . . But most importantly, the part where she reaches up for the pot, after being warned at gunpoint that the cops feel unsafe.
She reached up for the pot…
I don’t think her race is responsible for her reaching up for that pot. But that might just be me.
The cop literally noticed the pot and told her to go move it because he didn’t want to deal with a fire when he was there.
She didn’t go to it until she was told to go move it off the flame.
It’s strange seeing people just make stuff up…
Who is responsible for the complete mismatch between your description and the events if the video?
I watched the entire video. Did you not.?
Not what happened. Go watch the video.
I watched the entire thing. Did you not? Genuine question?
Why is any cop playing judge, jury, an executioner?
Even if she was to throw boiling water his way, which she was clearly trying to protect her head when the gun came up, it doesn’t warrent deadly force. Yes the cop would be in pain and scarred, but that’s the threat he signed up for being an officer.
Anytime the police kill someone it’s a gross overstep of power regardless of race, age, mental capacity, drug use, financial situation, or any other box you want to put a victim in. You can make a case for if there’s actual shots fired at the officers, but still a cops job is to bring people in so that can properly pay for their crimes.
So, again, even if she was about to throw that water 6+ feet over a counter to hurt him, that officer grossly misjudged the situation and made himself look like the biggest coward by not only drawing his gun but firing.
Are you saying the cop would have taken the water on the face if the person was white?
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Did you not watch the video?
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I just found out about Lemmy.
No need to be incredibly rude.
I don’t understand why anybody would protect a person behaving in a finally… suicidal fashion… And base it on the colour of their skin.
Do you think race effects people fundamentally, so that because she is black she deserves special treatment?
Did you watch the full video?
You don’t seem to know what actually happened. The cop TOLD HER to do something about the boiling water, she picked it up and took it to the sink as asked.
Just for context, this is in the UK so the officer WILL be prosecuted and punished accordingly.
It is worth noting that other officers at the scene had a broken nose and other injuries before this happened. It doesn’t excuse what he does but there’s certainly a lot more to the story here.
I’m from the UK, and I can’t agree. Most likely, at worst, he will be dismissed from the police force. It is very rare for police constables to face criminal charges, and even rarer for those charges to actually stick.
Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent man, was reading the newspaper on the London Underground. The metropolitan police shot him in the head seven times. No officer was held accountable.
Ian Tomlinson, a newsagent, was walking home past a protest. The metropolitan police beat him to death. A constable lost his job, but was found not guilty by the court.
A little kid with mental health issues went up to a metropolitan police constable to ask for help. The cop pepper sprayed and beat the child 30 times with a baton. He was dismissed from the police force, but did not face criminal charges.
And you claim that the officer responsible for this is “fucked”? Dream on. At worst he’ll have to get a real job like the rest of us.
The only one of those I’m familiar with is Menenez and the officers genuinely believed he had explosives. It was a fucked up situation and I do think they probably should have suffered more consequences. But honestly there’s room for a little nuance.
British cops are not routinely armed so shooting generally is a LOT rarer.
If I shot someone 7 times in the head, it wouldn’t matter how many people agreed with me that we all thought it was the devil himself crawling out of a portal to hell, I’d get charged and sentenced for manslaughter.
The police are able to get away with literal murder and people will come out of the woodwork, wringing their hands about all of the nuances of the situation.
No, fuck that, and fuck the police. They’re a legalised criminal gang that exists to be the fist of the ruling class and nothing more. If I could click my fingers right now and make the entire institution no longer exist I’d do it faster than you could blink.
But then who would who call if someone broke into your home and didn’t even bother shooting your dog?
He had been incorrectly identified as a terrorist and an imminent threat. The fuck up was not the person who fired the gun but whoever gave him the order.
That’d be Dame Cressida Dick, later promoted to Commissioner of the Met.
Afraid that I have to agree. It’s nowhere near as extreme an example, there was a case brought against the West Midlands Police a few years ago where the cops intimidated a bunch of fans from Bristol, detained them, and forced them back on the train to Bristol. It took four years to settle the case, and the only way they were able to be taken seriously at all was because a serving policeman in Bristol felt inclined to back them, despite warnings not to do so by his peers.
It’s the classic “who polices the police” scenario, and sadly the charges are often so painfully low that it feels like the best way to commit a crime and get away with it is to join the police…
I think I’ve read recently about a serial rapist and murderer convicted in UK who was a policeman.
Our timeline is generally dark, but I simply admire how my instinct, feeling that there’s truth to the rule “all free people bear arms”, which I couldn’t justify in my childhood where it only had strange connection with dignity and fantasy\heroic stuff I would read, is being justified by life itself.
Same with the rule that one can’t build a legal system that is just, only that is competitive, and even in that evil may win so an honest man, or a group of honest people, or a whole oppressed people may have to fight the whole world indirectly. Well, that part I should have understood even back then, I have family in such a place.
But will they really?
Here in Aus at least, 3 cops assaulted an autistic or downs guy in his yard one day. The court ordered them to apologise to the victim and do some bullshit “training”.
Yes. This is the UK. The officer is fucked. Exactly how fucked depends on the context which we don’t really have yet.
Can any other Brits confirm you actually crack down on cops? Have you followed their trials until the conclusion to see what ‘punishment’ they actually get?
I’m British, and I wouldn’t say so. In some higher profile cases cops might lose their job, and in extreme cases they go to court, but it’s really rare for the charges to stick. There was a recent case with a famous sportsman - a pair of cop tased him, beat him with a baton, and kicked him in the head until he died. That was the first time in over 30 years a cop had actually been found guilty of manslaughter, but the other cop escaped with no charges. The bastard that got sentenced will almost definitely be released within a couple of years.
So, yeah, if it’s high profile enough, maybe, to some extent, but otherwise, no.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/30/police-officers-in-england-and-wales-guilty-of-crimes-up-70-per-cent
This is a soft-left wing newspaper that’s generally quite critical of the police. The numbers of convictions amd sackings are quite interesting. I think there’s a lot of room for improvement but we’re starting from a MUCH better place than the US or even Aus.
The 70% increase in convictions does not mean there’s an increase in Police bad actors. It’s an increase in pursuing convictions against them.
Read your own fucking source.
Yeah but people complain about police all of the time. Just because only 1% of them were assessed does not mean that the others were legitimate. Sometimes it’s quite obvious that it is legitimate I really don’t think the police are a problem in the UK there’s definitely a few individuals that need their heads examining but mostly people aren’t afraid of them. Stop putting your own biases on everyone else.
And why do you think it’s acceptable that only 1% of complaints are even so much as looked into? I think you have your own, massive bias here that you’re completely ignoring.
Another Brit here, yes cops do get punished in high profile cases with video evidence such as this.
The contradictory examples listed above were quite complex cases from what I remember.
That said, as a teenager a friend of mine was beaten up in a police van in a case of mistaken identity. He was advised by his lawyer to drop the case as there was little chance of proving what happened as the police had smashed up his phone which he had been recording them with.
Due to the context of police officers being injured prior to what’s shown on tape. I expect in this instance, the cop to get a lenient pushiment.
They’re not superheroes…
To be fair, while he will see more consequences than would be likely if this had happened in the US, it’s still pretty rare for police officers to be successfully prosecuted in the UK. More likely we’ll be looking at an IOPC investigation and internal disciplinary procedures rather than criminal prosecution.
police prosecutions in the UK are done very quietly, I’m not sure why but you’re lucky to get one small story in the newspapers for even quite horrific crimes. There are perhaps not enough, but they do happen more than people generally think.
I guarantee you that his career in the police is over. It’ll be interesting to find out more about the context, there’s clearly already been a lot of violence happening to the cops before the video starts. I’m certainly expecting criminal prosecution against him.
Woah there nelly. That be bringing any of that “logic” and “real world understanding” here
Oh we will be. There is video evidence they can’t really get out of this one.
What they never really need to do is stop hiring criminals. And when there are warning signs (there are always warning signs, this is never their first offense), they need to be fired, immediately.
If they lose their job, but otherwise don’t suffer any repercussions, would that shock you? What would you propose that we should do, if we can’t get justice through the system?
What are you talking about. That hasn’t even been a case yet calm down.
I’m asking you, when this inevitably doesn’t go anywhere, will you care?
Will you care? Will anyone care? Nothing ever seems to change no matter how bad it gets.
I already care. I’m desperately trying to get people to change their minds. I’m working hard trying to build working class solidarity and to bring people along with me. Join the IWW, learn about mutual aid and do what you can. We can be the change. We just have to believe that it’s possible and that we can do it. If we work together we are unstoppable, but we need to break out of the prison in our mind.
Mavics with homemade grenades.
Molotov cocktails (can be dropped from copters too).
Also longbows and crossbows with arrows, rock-solid time-proven tech.
You just have to drop this part
because something like this exists in every conflict. The defending side usually gets punished for the resistance alone.
No one can hold you accountable if you overrun all the cops.
Just once, I want to see a video where the cops are beating on someone and the crowd actually intervenes and turns the table on them.
I would love it if we could make the police feel afraid to do this shit. Not scared of losing their job or having to do paperwork, but scared of the actual people there on the street. Scared that they might not have the monopoly on violence that they thought they did.
Maybe actually train them? In Quebec it takes 3½ years in school before you can become a cop and usually you won’t be able to do the last ½ right away, they’ll only let you in once you’re in your mid 20s so you’re more mature and it forces you to acquire related experience to build a better resume for when you send your application.
Yeah, I just googled “police brutality quebec” and it doesn’t sound like that’s really working out for you.
Just like if you do the same search no matter where you’ll find examples, it doesn’t mean there aren’t places where the situation is better than others and that they shouldn’t be used as an example.
You’ll never get rid of it completely, just like you’ll never get rid of bankers committing fraud completely, just like you’ll never get rid of criminals completely, you can still try to improve things. In the UK cops don’t have guns, in Quebec the selection process is much harder to go through, what is the US doing? 6 months of training, take pretty much anyone, militarize the police force… Well buddy, what do you think will happen?
What if I told you that we can get rid of police brutality? We can get rid of bankers committing fraud. We can get rid of crime.
The main thing that stops us from creating a better world is refusing to believe that it’s possible.
If we work together and dismantle the existing power structures that oppress us, then we can solve all of these problems. They’re fundamentally problems of inequality and capitalism.
Tell me, how do you eliminate nature?
Do you think violence didn’t exist where capitalism wasn’t a thing? You might need a trigger warning if you start reading on first Nations and their pre-European colonization history…
So the first thing you need to do is recognize that nature is a social construct and nothing that happened before the 19th century counts.
Co-operation is in the nature of humankind. Violence will tend to occur when there is competition for resources. We have the technology and philosophy necessary to create a world where everyone can live a comfortable life without any need to compete for food, water, shelter, medicine or education.
If we work together and prevent people from forming unequal hierarchies, then the few people who still try to impose their will on others can be stopped by the rest of us.
It’s in our nature just like fear of strangers is and that means our nature is to see people as being either in or out of our group and wanting to protect our group from the other group.
It’s very nice that you can imagine a utopia but that’s just a dream that will never become true because of our nature.
We’ve proven quite successfully that we are able to overcome our fear of strangers successfully enough to create civilisation. There is no reason that we can’t overcome any part of our nature to achieve a better world. Your beliefs are holding us back - the major thing blocking us from taking decisive action is because people don’t believe that a better world is possible. It is. We just have to be bold, take the opportunity and leave capitalism in the past where it belongs.
That’s like saying ‘boys will be boys’ to explain away sexual harassment or extreme hazing.
It is not, and never has been, a valid excuse.
No it’s not, accumulating resources is natural (heck, our body does it without us intervening, that’s what fat is!), you’ll never prevent 100% of the population from doing it or trying to do it, we’re animals that are good at throwing rocks.
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At least this one deserves consequences… unlike that unfortunate shooting in the states.
Wow, you just cannot help yourself, can you. Did the boiling water lady break your brain or something?
This is the third comment you’ve left under a story that has nothing to do with her.