Yeah ok man I don’t care about your geopolitics, the point is that the only part of what is considered China which is at all democratic is Taiwan. The PRC is a totalitarian, one party dictatorship.
Their existence is allowed as long as they recognize the CCP as the leading party.
That is unusual for a Communist state, but it is definitely not a democracy.
Not that it is a bad thing, it is just not a democracy.
Great, I wasn’t talking about America.
I am also not American, so maybe you’re right about it being corrupt.
It doesn’t change the fact that China’s CCP allows other parties in a controlled manner, to such an extent that they are allowed to exist as long as they acknowledge the superiority of the CCP.
This leads to the tyranny of the majority, as explained in the writings of John Stewart Mill.
Is it morally wrong? I’m not sure you can judge China the same as other nations. I find China to be very complicated and unique in human history.
Is it a democracy? Certainly not a full one.
The Majority’s tyranny is an easy discerning factor between democracies and republics.
communist party of china is the preferred nomenclature, communist parties are usually “communist” first and whatever nation state second, see see pee is a western invention, maybe to scare boomers by reminding them of the CCCP but i’m not sure we have a memo or leak about why the switch was made.
people have mentioned older coverage when china was not the big scary enemy where capitalist media referred to the cpc correctly, but i don’t have arbitrary 1990s newspaper articles at hand.
Once you wrote it like this, it is comprehensible. Still, first time I heard it. Don’t know what handegg is too.
After reading about the analogy, I fail to see which rules, process or competition was changed (or in this case, conversation) mid-play.
I was consistently talking about China, I was consistently talking about their party system and I was consistently talking about it being non-democratic in comparison to Democratic party systems where there are mechanisms to prevent the tyranny of the majority.
Also, the tyranny of the majority isn’t a new thing. The formationg of the modern democracy is circa 1800’s. It is a system that was conceived centuries ago. a century before communism. It’s not like I pulled a fast one here.
I didn’t even say that it is a bad thing for fuck’s sake. I haven’t even displayed my actual opinion.
I fail to see where the goalpost analogy fits here.
Taiwan hasn’t even been “democratic” (in the sense of “murder all political opponents to the left of Reagan for 40 years and then start letting people vote for the party that did this”) for more than a few decades, so even at face value this barely counts.
Yeah ok man I don’t care about your geopolitics, the point is that the only part of what is considered China which is at all democratic is Taiwan. The PRC is a totalitarian, one party dictatorship.
There are eight (8) other political parties in the mainland People’s Republic of China
Their existence is allowed as long as they recognize the CCP as the leading party. That is unusual for a Communist state, but it is definitely not a democracy.
Not that it is a bad thing, it is just not a democracy.
china is more of a democracy than the US what with its supreme court, senate, and electoral college.
Great, I wasn’t talking about America. I am also not American, so maybe you’re right about it being corrupt.
It doesn’t change the fact that China’s CCP allows other parties in a controlled manner, to such an extent that they are allowed to exist as long as they acknowledge the superiority of the CCP.
This leads to the tyranny of the majority, as explained in the writings of John Stewart Mill.
Is it morally wrong? I’m not sure you can judge China the same as other nations. I find China to be very complicated and unique in human history.
Is it a democracy? Certainly not a full one. The Majority’s tyranny is an easy discerning factor between democracies and republics.
you might have a more accurate assessment if you got the name of the party right lmao
Is it not CCP? Chinese Communist Party?
communist party of china is the preferred nomenclature, communist parties are usually “communist” first and whatever nation state second, see see pee is a western invention, maybe to scare boomers by reminding them of the CCCP but i’m not sure we have a memo or leak about why the switch was made.
people have mentioned older coverage when china was not the big scary enemy where capitalist media referred to the cpc correctly, but i don’t have arbitrary 1990s newspaper articles at hand.
Ok, CPC instead of CCP. Brilliant.
How does that make China a democracy?
Look at those goalposts fly
Sounds like an American football reference, didn’t get it.
“moving the goalposts” is an informal fallacy, and sports other than handegg have them, so the analogy being made should be perfectly comprehensible
Once you wrote it like this, it is comprehensible. Still, first time I heard it. Don’t know what handegg is too.
After reading about the analogy, I fail to see which rules, process or competition was changed (or in this case, conversation) mid-play.
I was consistently talking about China, I was consistently talking about their party system and I was consistently talking about it being non-democratic in comparison to Democratic party systems where there are mechanisms to prevent the tyranny of the majority.
Also, the tyranny of the majority isn’t a new thing. The formationg of the modern democracy is circa 1800’s. It is a system that was conceived centuries ago. a century before communism. It’s not like I pulled a fast one here.
I didn’t even say that it is a bad thing for fuck’s sake. I haven’t even displayed my actual opinion.
I fail to see where the goalpost analogy fits here.
idk take it up with the person who said you were changing standards
Sorry, I thought the same person who stated, answered. Thanks for clearing that up though.
Taiwan hasn’t even been “democratic” (in the sense of “murder all political opponents to the left of Reagan for 40 years and then start letting people vote for the party that did this”) for more than a few decades, so even at face value this barely counts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)