To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.
To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.
They win by moving to the center and basically never win. Got it.
You can look at this way: When they go left, they lose. Because the left doesn’t show up. So they go center and win occasionally. As in, they win more often when they go center. So the math is clear, go center. You know this, but you want to obfuscate.
They don’t go left at all. You just blame the left when they go to the right like you want and it fails.
Let’s pull up the history, I have this saved because I have to go over it with people:
Let’s run through the recent story.
Bill Clinton: After successive losses Bill figured out “it’s the economy stupid”. And when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you run from the center. So that’s what he did. And he won.
Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters!
Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don’t stick your head out. He ran on vague “hope”, hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush’s disastrous wars. And he won.
Hillary Clinton: After the population hopefully warmed up with Obama, she stuck her head out just a tiny itty little bit left on climate change (that thing all the leftists care about right?) with the Map Room. And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters!
On to Biden. Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don’t stick your head out left. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. He’s actually been governing more from the left, but he ran center.
And people are amazed that they don’t run an big left platform? Every time they stick their head out a little itsy bitsy tiny bit left they lose. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win.
Like I said.
So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose, like they’ve lost 20 years out of the last 24 years, they will go to the center to find votes.
Blaming Hillary’s loss on one progressive idea instead of the millions of other reasons people had to not vote for her is just straight up head-in-the-sand insane.
Al Gore got straight up robbed by the SC, but even ignoring that let’s not forget that was 24 years ago and climate action was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less popular than it is now. Let’s also not forget he won the popular vote.
Trump must have lost in 2020 because he was too far to the left.
Such a fantastically stupid list of completely unsupported assertions. And they have it saved, so they can go over it with people! I have two takeaways from this thread:
I’m going to start referring to this kind of argument as “root beer logic”. Nobody will know what I’m talking about, but I’ll think it’s funny.
They’re probably a political strategist for the DNC
You’re gonna blame the left because the Supreme Court robbed us all. Of course, you’re gonna blame the left for any losses, no matter how much you have to lie about history to do so.
Obama ran to Clinton’s left. He had specific policies regarding healthcare, Gitmo, the environment, Roe v Wade. Americans told Clinton to take a fucking hike and went with the guy to her left. Obama won despite the efforts of Centrists. Centrists were so upset that the party nominated someone to their left that they formed a PAC to elect McCain. They failed.
Clinton did everything in her power to alienate the left. Holy shit, you’re saying Clinton lost because she wasn’t far enough to the right. She might not be far enough to the right for you, but I doubt anyone will ever be.
Gore: If the election wasn’t so close, then we wouldn’t have needed recounts huh? Thanks 3rd party voters!
Obama: So you’re talking the primary? I’m talking the general. The message to the voters was very vague “hope” and relying on energy. And after Bush’s disastrous wars it didn’t take much to win against the GOP, people were sick of the lies.
AND how long did Obama win? He won for years 1 and 2. Then for years 3 and 4 he lost the house of reps. Again for years 5 and 6 he lost the house of reps. And for years 7 and 8, he lost BOTH the house of reps and senate. That was his thanks for the ACA huh. Thanks voters that can’t be assed to show up for elections!
Hilary: I’m saying she lost because the left didn’t show up to vote. Thanks no vote protesters! They thought it would move things left by not voting, but in reality the overton window went off the cliff to the right by letting Trump win. How’d that work out?
So that’s why Biden ran on center. He learned from Hillary. And when running against an incumbent you run center.
So back to my message. How do you get things to move left? You do that by giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose, they go to the center to find voters.
The left “doesn’t show up” when Dems go right BECAUSE THERE’S NO ONE TO VOTE FOR ON THE LEFT. If the Dems would go left, and not ‘tiny little peak out from behind big oil money’ left, but full blown ‘here’s the progressive version of project 2025 and we’re going to FIGHT hard for it, even if it means ditching some of our conservative members’ left, then millennials and zoomers would show up. Millennials and zoomers are overwhelmingly progressive and they show up in greater numbers than any generation before them at their age… and that’s WITHOUT ever having had someone on the left to actually vote for.
Sigh. That’s what I’m saying. If you want a big left platform, then you have to vote for the small left platform first. No one is going to run a big left platform when the small left platform loses time and time again. Not going to happen. When the small left platform loses, they will go to the center to find voters.
And if you think you can play Mexican standoff and wait for the big left platform, I have news for you. You won’t win. They will write you off as a voter and court the voters that actually show up, which is the center voter.
Nah… Soon someone will come forward with a big left platform, and this time Clinton and her minions won’t be there to rig the primary. The DNC will have more and more young people and when the time comes they will shift the whole party dramatically to the left. The boomers will finally be the minority and we’ll get an actual left party.
You’re talking the primary and I’m talking the general. And every time they stick their head left (in the general) they lose.
I already gave you the history in a different chain, you can’t plead ignorance on this. You want them to shift left? They have to win first.
Young, old, doesn’t really matter. They will run what they think will win the general. Young does not mean they will run a left platform just because young. Old does not mean they will run center just because old. They will run what will win the general. And history shows the left never shows up to vote. It’s the definition of insanity all over again.
Bernie would have crushed Trump. Millions of young people who stayed home or voted 3rd party would have turned out for him. Everyone who voted for Clinton also would have shown up for him because they were voting against Trump anyway. Blue no matter who right?
When most of the boomers are gone the vast majority of people will be progressive. The only way to win will be to go left and it’ll be obvious sooner or later.
I already said it, you’re talking the primary and I’m talking the general. Who knows what would have happened with Bernie vs Trump.
What will make it obvious to go left is, drumroll please, wins at the ballot box! You have to win before the party will make a big left platform. You’re back to hoping for a big left platform to magically appear.
Yeah like I said before, you’re relying on polling (and frankly hopes and dreams), and I’m relying on what actually happened. I think your dreams about Bernie vs Trump show this.