We defeated fascism militarily 80 years ago, and yet it’s slowly it grew back and is poised to take power again. Everything that happened since wasn’t defeating fascism but nurturing it, as it’s been growing in power since. You are positing a false dichotomy. The only way to defeat fascism is to change to a system that doesn’t breed fascism.
We didn’t defeat fascism, we defeated fascists. Fascism didn’t stop existing because we defeated Germany in a war. It just went into hiding. A lot of that hiding in the US.
The idea that we “defeated fascism” is part of the problem with why it still exists. That we were able to shoot it in the face and it just went away.
The only way to defeat fascism is to change to a system that doesn’t breed fascism.
Yes, that is literally the point of my previous comment. The problem is you are advocating a system that fosters it, not one that removes it.
What? Lol the current system breeds it. The one you explicitly endorse through voting. How is what I suggest promoting fascism? Do you even know what I would suggest or are you just making an ass of yourself?
Mate, you lot have been “voting the fascists out” for the past 80 years and they’ve only been growing stronger to the point where you’re about to get fascism in multiple northern nations (never mind the looming climate apocalypse) . Surely you must know what they call ones who keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
Mostly because people like you refuse to participate because you’d rather be “above that sort of thing”.
You won’t change shit by being an outlier. You won’t make a difference by refusing to participate. Telling everyone that the system stinks and you’re going to go make your own is how you get hundreds of systems that have no effect on anything.
You want to make change? Stop being an island unto yourself and work with other people. You don’t have to work with fascists, but you will have to work with people you don’t see as “good enough”. Because otherwise all you are is a drop in a very big ocean.
Who says we’re nor working? Just because we don’t participate in the electoral farce? The only progress you’ve seen is from people like us who take direct action instead of mindlessly taking a performative action every couple of years.
Fair, I took your example of “we defeated fascism militarily” and not expounded about anything else as a solution except not voting at all… I took that as your solution.
Please do explain how you will solve all our problems in such a way that you aren’t able to vote as well.
If you’re looking for magical solutions, I don’t have any for you, but I know that strong anarcho-syndicalist unions push back against fascism through labor action (awhile making everyone’s lives better) and scaring the politicians shirtless and can lead to a anarcho communist revolution which when successful makes fascism impossible anymore.
We defeated fascism militarily 80 years ago, and yet it’s slowly it grew back and is poised to take power again. Everything that happened since wasn’t defeating fascism but nurturing it, as it’s been growing in power since. You are positing a false dichotomy. The only way to defeat fascism is to change to a system that doesn’t breed fascism.
We didn’t defeat fascism, we defeated fascists. Fascism didn’t stop existing because we defeated Germany in a war. It just went into hiding. A lot of that hiding in the US.
The idea that we “defeated fascism” is part of the problem with why it still exists. That we were able to shoot it in the face and it just went away.
Yes, that is literally the point of my previous comment. The problem is you are advocating a system that fosters it, not one that removes it.
What? Lol the current system breeds it. The one you explicitly endorse through voting. How is what I suggest promoting fascism? Do you even know what I would suggest or are you just making an ass of yourself?
Ah yes, let the fascists win the election rather than voting against them, which would “endorse” them somehow. Great leftist logic there.
Mate, you lot have been “voting the fascists out” for the past 80 years and they’ve only been growing stronger to the point where you’re about to get fascism in multiple northern nations (never mind the looming climate apocalypse) . Surely you must know what they call ones who keep doing the same thing and expect different results.
Mostly because people like you refuse to participate because you’d rather be “above that sort of thing”.
You won’t change shit by being an outlier. You won’t make a difference by refusing to participate. Telling everyone that the system stinks and you’re going to go make your own is how you get hundreds of systems that have no effect on anything.
You want to make change? Stop being an island unto yourself and work with other people. You don’t have to work with fascists, but you will have to work with people you don’t see as “good enough”. Because otherwise all you are is a drop in a very big ocean.
Who says we’re nor working? Just because we don’t participate in the electoral farce? The only progress you’ve seen is from people like us who take direct action instead of mindlessly taking a performative action every couple of years.
Really? Because, as you say, we haven’t seen any progress thus far. Doesnt seem to be working for you either.
Of course, its clearly everyone else’s fault that your ideas don’t work.
The 8 hour day and 5 day week and the removal of child labor begs to differ.
You’re literally advocating violence to enforce your point of view.
I dont know what you think that is, but it sure as fuck isn’t leftist. You don’t change minds by caving them in.
Where did you see me advocating for violence? Are you making silly assumptions again?
Fair, I took your example of “we defeated fascism militarily” and not expounded about anything else as a solution except not voting at all… I took that as your solution.
Please do explain how you will solve all our problems in such a way that you aren’t able to vote as well.
If you’re looking for magical solutions, I don’t have any for you, but I know that strong anarcho-syndicalist unions push back against fascism through labor action (awhile making everyone’s lives better) and scaring the politicians shirtless and can lead to a anarcho communist revolution which when successful makes fascism impossible anymore.