Who said Gov is an inefficiency engine? That sounds more like neo-liberal dogma then actual peer reviewed work.

Then perhaps reforming the commons? Agricultural land & surplus are owned in common by the people who live in the area. Government pays for the production of those food stuffs and only gets a nominal % tax on the surplus.

I agree the money is going to come from the monetary supply and government acting as buyer and distributor of goods would be incredibly problematic. A subsidy of some kind for domestic production + placing a max profit markup IMO would be a more effective method.

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There is not much anyone can do TBH. Too much of the social/political/monetary systems we currently live in have exponential growth baked into their values. It’s incredibly hard to turn that around. Now there is work being done on building a different economic system but its anyone’s guess if the current system will bend itself into that direction or it just breaks and the new system fills the void. But either way capitalism is dying and there is no hope of saving it.

On what exactly? Also where do you store it? Like I am all for government activity to collectively stockpile and supply materials but what materials and for what purpose? Also should it be a federal project/state project/both? IDK sometimes its just easier to use price controls then it is to handle logistics.

Oh yeah in so many ways its a too little too late. The best time to have fixed this problem was 40 years ago, the second best time is now. Nothing will be perfect, and we are definitely going to get so many things wrong. All I am saying is that there is some hope for something better, just gotta keep focusing on that and try hard to not fall down the rabbit hole of existential dread.

I agree to an extent. I think governments or more accurately the civil servants in government are taking it seriously. I work with a local Doughnut Economics group and 2 years ago we couldn’t even get the time of day, now the amount of calls and emails we have gotten from state, city & county officials is amazing. They want to take it seriously its just they don’t know how. However in my experience I think they are starting to adequately freak out now, they are just keeping a straight face because “don’t want the public to panic”.

Which is dumb because like no one I know is interested in setting up a social/legal/economic Caste system in which “White People” are at the bottom. At best we got “don’t let white dudes vote for a decade”, mostly since they voted so hard for so long maybe it would be good for them to take a break. Go paint, write shit poetry, or frolic in the forest. IDC just fuck off for a bit while the rest of us put the world back together.(Angry Latino man rant)

Because he is not an actual progressive. Hes just a spoiled rich kid who like to pretend to be a progressive.

I mean IMO Raspberry Pi cluster are the future. Low power, cheap CPU’s/Ram that are capable of running containerized workloads.

So the barbiturate addict who is partially brain damaged doesn’t understand something that requires him to be open to changing his habits? Shocking! 😐

Just to let you know a left-libertarian is called an Anarchist.

I have been studying Doughnut Theory. IMO its all about metrics/measurement and Doughnut Theory gives a robust way to measure the actual health of an economy/society. You got your social foundations which you have to ensure everyone gets, and you have your ecological ceilings which are your limits on natural resource use/extraction. So the challenge is how do you build business, finance and law to do that.

https://anarchosolarpunk.substack.com/

I mean water amount on the Colorado river is one problem of the Colorado Compact. There is a whole lot of other problems that make the whole compact nonviable in the 21st century that are going to need to be worked out in some sort of Western States congress.

They have a lot of farm land that they buy alfalfa from but water rights are a bit different. Water rights are based on the “doctrine of prior appropriation” which means the water from the river goes to the body that is able to claim first “beneficial” use for that water, beneficial as defined as economically beneficial. Los Angeles and many Imperial Valley farmers primarily used that to build massive water infrastructure projects to divert massive amounts of water from the Colorado for projected growth. Those rights to that water are locked, however because of the crises on the Colorado river system the entire Colorado River compact is coming into question which has the doctrine of prior appropriation as a foundation to the water legal system in the west.

Just for some additional context the Colorado River Compact is essentially the West’s version of the constitution. Its a water treaty governing commerce and political power in the West. Keep in mind the American West is a desert and the only real thing of true value in a desert is freshwater. There is an old west saying “whiskeys for drinking, waters for fighting over”, and people did fight over water out here.

It was stupid for them to think that they could get the ridiculous profit margins that these firms where pitching them, but its not a stupid idea. As with any valid agricultural operation Gov is needed. USDA just allowed for crop insurance for vertical farming so there is hope for support on that front. I am working on developing a cheaper way to manufacture tower systems and for them to be recycled. I am born and raised in the American Southwest and we are already experiencing water shortages so I suspect local/state gov support is going to be put into place to subsidize power to vertical farming to make it more viable for farmers. We have lots of sun/wind out here but we don’t have lots of water.

It’s not unfeasible its just never going to have the high profit margins these companies keep pitching to VC’s and banks. Farming is something that is done not because you make a huge profit from it but because you need food to survive.

Vertical farms fit in the niche for regions that have a significant population but have little water and large amount of arid land. They can allow for food to be grown closer to population centers and reduce the need for large water projects that are needed for irrigation farming. There is still going to be a need for irrigation farming for certain staple crops, but vertical farms can be used to grow certain fruiting vegetables and other leafy greens that would generally need a large amount of water in the same arid region.

Building a new food system is going to need vertical farms and other sustainable agriculture techniques, but it cannot be built on the same profit-for-profits sake economic system we currently have.

Its always fun watching the media machine work in real time. COP was a joke to begin with, it was a joke at the end. Nothing in that statement has any real measurements on how/when they are going to stop fossil fuel use and that’s because they legitimately don’t have one. The profit margins, the societal infrastructure that is built on fossil fuel use make them not want to touch it. They are addicted to constant non-stop GDP growth and nothing gets them there faster then using fossil fuels.