I’m hoping that, if this all does come to pass, we can put a loon on our 1 Euro coin and a polar bear on the 2 Euro coin. That’s currently our tradition and it would be nice to continue it. Of course, a maple leaf is already on all of our coins so it stands to reason that that would also continue.
All that to say: if we were to join, you would more than likely get your wish. :3
Presumably, the US grant funding. Outside of that, the land was donated by the Haskell family, but the article doesn’t say to whom/what, so maybe a US entity “owns” it? I’m unsure of how that can be true while it’s designated a National Historic Site of Canada, though.
This article is really sparse. It doesn’t even say which US authority made this decision, just that it involved USBP somehow.
If a person who is wearing a hijab is not breaking any other laws, I don’t believe that it’s right to ban wearing a hijab. To construct a situation that makes this okay with nothing to suggest that there is actually a real threat here is really strange.
If you want to ban terrorism or defiance of authority from Muslims, those things are already illegal.
Were those high-ranking Russian officers living in Ukraine as adults and originally part of Ukraine’s military? Canadian officers in the US are on exchange (temporary operations with foreign forces), they’re not part of the US army.
I’m not dismissing the possibility, but these circumstances seem pretty different.
Surely a government that wants to respect human rights including its own charter of human rights and freedoms would not try to justify the banning of certain types of apparel at all. It’s pretty hard to attribute to that a negative effect on others who can see it.
The article mentions “birth control” and “contraceptives,” but there’s nothing in this article or in the proposed formulary regarding birth control medication intended to be used post-conception (other than Plan B aka levonorgestrel).
I wonder if the Yukon government is planning on expanding access to abortion medication eventually or if they’re hoping contraceptives are enough. As it is, people still struggle to get to clinics and hospitals in Whitehorse for timely care and if you go to the wrong place or at the wrong time, you’re on the hook for the cost. I read an article on this just a few weeks ago.
By default. Of course, by the nature of approximation by excess, you will always pay more. I’m sure you can imagine that that would not have been popular, lol.
That’s true, it seems like the loonie is 6.27g and the 1 Euro coin is 7.5g.
That’s an increase of about 19.6% so that would kind of suck. The 2 Euro coin is heavier than the toonie by an even larger margin. Not to mention that we would also have to get rid of quarters and introduce 2 more coins: 0.20 and 0.02.
It just so happens that some religions are unable to and need to show it publicly whenever they leave their homes.
https://www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/document/cs/c-12#se:3
- Every person is the possessor of the fundamental freedoms, including freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of opinion, freedom of expression, freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide
A province that respects human rights wouldn’t do this.
One question that I would like to ask you is what could possibly happen when they do wear a headscarf? How are the people of Quebec being oppressed by just having these symbols visible? I don’t think they’ll go up in flames, either.
I can see how you would think that there’s no problem just doing it all at home, because materially you’re correct. But you also have to consider the effect of having to hide what you see as a fundamental part of yourself. I have a lot of religious people in my family and they really do see Christianity as a part of who they are. In some ways, you can see that banning religious expression is similar to the concept of cultural genocide as it has a disproportionate impact on religions with larger or more overt religious symbols with the goal of eliminating these “differences” so that these people can “integrate better.”
These religions just so happen to be primarily practiced by people that Quebecers often believe don’t belong here, there is a long history here that (IMO) was most noticeable in 2012 when Syrian refugees were given asylum in many Quebec communities. I think Quebec didn’t really care that much until “all the brown people” started showing up and wearing their coverings.
It’s my understanding that a head covering is seen as a sign of modesty, devotion to god, and being a conduit for goodness. If a person really does believe that, and sees the covering as mandatory, every time they’re not permitted to wear it will affect them emotionally and spiritually, especially in the sense that the god commands it and it’s not really optional if you are a devout person. In a school setting, a lot of kids were allowed to wear their coverings, to display and practice their beliefs, and now it will be banned. How will that not affect these kids and make them feel lesser than other Canadians?
To your point, the women that cover and do not want to will benefit from this law. Of course, that’s great. But how many of them are there? This law will either negatively affect or not affect more groups of women than it helps:
I also would like to point out that some Muslim men and boys wear coverings too, so this will also affect them negatively.
Though I can’t say for sure whether it’s really the same, I can see some parallels to certain other religious and even indigenous beliefs that talk about devotion, acting as a conduit for good in the stewardship of nature and humankind, and having a responsibility to keep this relationship alive by continuing to practice their religious and cultural rituals. This perspective is obviously complicated by the issues we have been talking about that occur in the Muslim community, but unfortunately I think we have a situation here where a religious institution has both good and bad elements.
All in all, my life won’t change with this because I’m not a Muslim and don’t live in Quebec. But the power of the state being used to ban certain types of non-verbal expression is like, really fascist and I’m endlessly disappointed in Quebec for being so scared of brown people that they’d ban all religious expression. I grew up in Brampton and knew a few people (boys and girls) who wore topi and hijab and it didn’t affect anyone else, so it’s just weird to me to restrict all people’s rights because of something like this.
I also dislike religion and I’m with you on how harmful it is (raised Catholic, 14 years of faith-based schooling). The problem is the broad assumption that every Muslim woman is being coerced and then using that (wrong) assumption to force other women to wear (or not wear) certain things.
I would love it if all religion just like, ceased to exist one day. But we’re not there, so this law actually promotes religious oppression and, just like all other forms of oppression, I don’t want that for people, especially not in Canada. I don’t feel like banning head coverings actually eliminates the problem of coercion in Muslim communities.
I’m willing to admit that, yes, oppression of Muslim women is a problem within our borders (and Canadian women have been victim to honour killings on and off Canadian soil), but banning coverings doesn’t solve that problem. Banning coverings solves one problem for some women and creates a problem for others. I don’t think it’s good policy and makes Quebecers look even more Islamophobic than they did before.
Oh my god. And to what race do the majority of Muslims belong? What sorts of issues have been talked about in Quebec as of late? Oh, anti-immigration? I wonder how these concepts might relate politically…
Talking to racists is like talking to toddlers, they often deliberately refuse to follow basic logic.
I’m not living in Canada, I currently live in Germany (just because this is the Canada „sub“ doesn’t mean everyone who is active here lives in Canada right now)
My apologies, I misread your previous comment to mean that you found this thread randomly from your front page, not that you are here because you used to live here.
Either way, you seem to have forgotten that what Quebec does on its own has nothing to do with the rest of us. They even have their own legal system.
What does this even mean? A woman whose family is going to bring her back to their native country for punishment often does so because she won’t wear a covering, which this law will support by forcing women not to cover. A woman who does wear a covering (forced or otherwise) probably won’t be, so your argument doesn’t even make sense.
You aren’t even Canadian, you are German. You quite literally don’t even understand that Quebec is simply one region of Canada and their culture is different from the rest of us in many unique and important ways.
In Germany, pork is banned in school cafeterias and during Ramadan, SOME teachers ask ALL students not to eat during recess/breaks out of respect for fasting Muslims. Fuck that. This is Europe, not the Middle East.
Irrelevant to this issue. I don’t care if you have schoolboy trauma from not eating pork, get it out of this conversation. This is about Muslim women in Quebec, not snowflake Germans who want to spread conservative racist ideology.
I’m happy that Quebec has finally decided to include Christian symbols in these laws (they started targeting Muslim women around 2012/2013 but didn’t end up passing any laws banning religious symbols until Bill 62 in 2017), but I don’t believe that they will be enforced equally. Also, a cross is easily hidden whereas a head or face covering is not.
I think most of our coins (especially the larger loonie and toonie) cost less to mint than their face value, but I’m not sure of the nickel or the dime. When we were moving to get rid of the penny/cent it was a really big deal, but it hasn’t really changed much in our daily lives since prices (the total on the final bill, not display prices) are now rounded to the nearest 0.05.
Not quite verbatim, but that’s a quote from Julius Nyerere. Just for attribution’s sake if anyone is interested.
Wow, what a scheme. I guess I would be amazed, haha. But on the scale of an entire nation I don’t know if enough would be fooled.