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  • Outside of the people trying to distract from the skeletons in their own closets, the ones that fixate on canonical ages always struck me as people who just hate anime. And squinting for loli content happens to be the easiest way to win over the court of public opinion. It just rarely feels sincere, even by loli hater standards.







  • I do believe we’re seeing the very beginnings of a larger cultural shift towards the small web and its philosophy

    I think that’s the crux of our different perspectives. I do agree that for federation and such to reach the mainstream it’s going to have to start with a cultural shift; I just can’t see that appreciably happening any time soon. I’ll be really happy to be wrong though.

    If a user has a problem with their instance’s management, they only need to go to another one rather than a whole new platform with different UI, none of the same people, none of the same content.

    But the old content and old users still live on the original instance: if you continue to participate has anything particularly changed? And if you don’t, is that really all that different from forum hopping?


    edit: I suppose you also mean participating in communities spread across instances. That’s fair, but I do want to point to Lemmy’s current top-heaviness as to why I think that’s still a tad unrealistic. Also, as it stands instance hopping is definitely not painless. These are definitely tractable problems, but I do think it’ll be a couple years before I can reconsider my stance.
    What makes me a little less hopeful is Mastodon’s greater maturity with the same instance top-heaviness and block list sharing from the top. I get why it’s necessary, but the net result is that peoples’ content is still decided from on-high with arguably even less public accountability. I just seriously don’t see the value-add from Joe Schmo’s perspective in exchange for grappling with extra complexity and I think that’s evidenced by Mastodon’s slump past the initial Twitter acquisition outrage.
    Nonetheless, things are arguably still in the early stages so the only real answer is “wait and see” of course.


    If you’re talking about an exodus on a community level, we’ve had plenty of intra-Reddit examples of splinter communities forming in opposition to moderation incidents on the main subreddit. They tend to not gain traction - most users are extremely apathetic. And I don’t necessarily mean that in a bad way, it just means most people still have the perspective to (at least unconsciously) realize that the specifics of this social media stuff barely matters at the end of the day. But it does mean they tend to take the dumbest, least effort option when it comes to these matters, which I’d say played a big part at how we arrived at the current social media landscape in the first place.

    and traditional social media sites will clean up their act and bring everyone back

    To clarify, I don’t quite hold this expectation. I fully expect Reddit to become irrelevant over the next few years. I just expect whatever to replace it will be another Reddit in the same way Reddit ended up becoming another Digg.
    So it’s less “clean up” so much as I expect new companies with new platforms to do the same dog & pony show as usual. Maybe it was just my neck of the woods, but by far the most linked alternative in subreddit blackout messages was to sister Discord communities, even though that’s ideologically empty in the long run.

    It’d be fun to look back on this a decade from now

    Much agreed.

    One facet that I’ll concede makes me a lot less confident in my own expectations is the geopolitical one. While I’m sure every country would like to maximize its ability to spy on its citizens and beyond, curbing US hegemony in online communications might be a win unto itself. But then the Fourteen Eyes alliance exists, so I really have no clue what the net pull of the situation is. I just hope something spicy leaks at some point.


  • What finally sold me on the fediverse was the idea that its strength is in its stability,

    Is it? I don’t see how this fundamentally differs all that much from hosting a forum back in the day. Let’s say an instance admin throws in the towel because of expenses/IRL/whatever, it doesn’t seem like the process has changed much from users being forced to migrate forums way back when. Maybe there will eventually be tooling to make the process decidedly better, but it feels overeager to count chickens before they hatch.

    I think it’ll take a long time, but as people keep repeatedly experiencing the issues with traditional monolithic social media, a move towards more stable and open platforms is inevitable.

    Huge disagree here. A new sucker is born every minute, so the average user can put up with way more bullshit than expected simply because it’s not the same contiguous user. Likewise, newer generations have modern social media as their ground truth, so things arguably aren’t even bad from their typical perspective.

    I also think federated FOSS-ish stuff is basically incongruous with reaching mainstream - for one, where would the money come from? The huge social media giants can afford to pay the hosting costs associated with reaching a massive audience, but I don’t see the overall Lemmyverse matching that in donations. And if we start considering advertizing too, are we really on a different trajectory than usual? Likewise, I think there’s something for economies of scale available to the big players that I don’t think really work as well under a federated system, like CDNs. I think you’ll find getting content in your eyeballs a few ms faster with every tap matters a lot more to most users than whatever ideological fulfillment one might get out of using Lemmy. Even outside of CDNs, I think federation’s occasional slowness is a huge detractor for being a realistic competitor to whatever social media counterpart they’re styled after that tends to get elephant-in-the-room’d.

    On a side note, it’s interesting which sort of communities migrated from reddit - the people who are fed up with Reddit enough to put the effort into learning a new platform is an odd intersection of groups.

    Much agreed, I’d say “divas” is a good encapsulation of the overall group - it’s just that we’re divas over such a wide array of things. It’ll be interesting to see the lay of the land as things settle.


  • I fully expect NSFW to be removed from reddit before their IPO. It’s the way society is now that you can in theory have a bigger reach and userbase if you allow countries that have restrictive NSFW laws in by banning NSFW from your site.

    That’s a possibility. I don’t disagree with your take, but I feel it’s not greedy enough.

    I don’t use mobile, but I believe blanket NSFW subs are still accessible from the official app while getting canned on anything third party that still remains (accessibility apps?) and mobile web pages. The insistent funneling to their app makes me think they’re taking steps to monetize viewing NSFW rather than remove it; probably as something like a show of force to investor on how they’ve “successfully” monetized both the advertizer friendly and unfriendly segments of their platform.

    Matching up more with what you said, I also think they’ll at some point make a blanket SFW designation for subs like the current blanket NSFW one, and then bully subs into opting into it (or splitting into one of each). I expect having a stronger SFW/NSFW split will make selling SFW reddit even easier to advertizers, and if they’re able to make the two legally distinct enough, to those restrictive countries you mentioned. This all feels like too much to foist on the community before the IPO, so I expect it’ll be billed as a potential avenue for Reddit’s “growth”. After the IPO, I do expect something along these lines to happen as things start to spiral the drain faster.

    It’s true I could have probably ridden it out until the very end, but this entire situation stunk of a long game of

    Oh no criticism here. I think it was a very pragmatic time for any loli-tangential community to jump ship and ride the “current event” wave to (hopefully) better conversion numbers. I just have serious doubts of the staying power of any community that isn’t intrinsically obligated to move off Reddit, at least currently. So I’m sticking with Reddit over the, uh, Burggit-less section of Lemmy, if for nothing else the morbid curiosity of watching things deteriorate in the subs I read.

    I don’t have much time before the main /r/touhou community tries to replace us with /r/touhoe or something else that’s stupid (as a side note, they’ve always mismanaged their NSFW side, to the point of giving me a niche to live in).

    Interesting! I never really paid much attention to the Touhou subs, but now that you mention it - having someone loli friendly or even just loli neutral still in a moderation position for a NSFW sub is not something I’d expect this many years into the loli purge. I salute you.


  • I’ve seen that mentioned before, but I don’t quite buy it. If it’s the actual act of hosting porn, I would expect there to be compromises since this forum style stems from just being a link aggregator anyway. If it’s to avoid running into minors-related laws, I have yet to run into any age questions for any instance signups, so I really have to question how genuinely these sorts of issues are being tackled.

    I’ll be happy to believe it when I see it, but until then that just seems like excuses to make their position more palatable until people just accept the status quo.


  • I’m no moderator of anything, so I’ve no particular sentimental attachments nor sway. I’ll go where my peers go, which still seems to be Reddit even as the frog boils. If I had a true moral aversion to Reddit, I would have quit when they first cracked down on loli subs years ago. Quitting now just seems silly, when the entertaining shitshow has just begun as it were.

    Also, I do like it here at Burggit over Reddit. It’s just everywhere else in the Lemmyverse that currently has me headscratching if I want to currently bother figuring out a bridge: the fact that big instances are creating rules even stricter than Reddit (like no NSFW) when they’re not even beholden to advertizers to do so, suggests to me they have an even greater concentration of morality police than you’d find on Reddit. So I’m adopting a lazy wait-and-see approach. Emphasis on lazy.

    As a tangent, Reddit normally never comes up in conversation for me with friends, but the blackout finally changed that. They’ve been around long enough to know about old Reddit’s layout. None of them knew it was a thing that still exists. Only one of them used a non-official app (Apollo), and I wholly expect them to jump to the official app (or maybe whatever accessibility app I can fish up) over any Reddit alternative. As somewhat of a power user, it was a nice reminder at just how apathetic and non-power-user-y most of Reddit’s userbase is.

    As an extra tangent, I think your 2hu stuff is in an uncommon position, as it’s somewhat inextricably linked to loli/“loli” content that Reddit actively opposes, in a way that most communities are not. I’m guessing that the blackout-related stuff was more of a convenient pretext to finally pull the trigger (and hopefully with a higher conversion rate) than it was the entire justification. And so I think your migration has a chance of being somewhat successful long-term, and way more successful than most migrations simply because there’s a community-inherent reason to do so. Most migrations I expect will or have already flopped as subs capitulate or reopen in some form. I fully expect this episode to be more of a “two minutes hate” than a “straw that broke the camel’s back” in the saga of Reddit’s downward spiral.



  • I don’t see why Burggit specifically would have to do this. I was planning to jump to an inconspicuous unrelated instance that federates both Burggit and the “correct” parts of the Lemmyverse. You could still do this if you want to participate in both.

    I’m putting my plan on ice for a bit because:

    • Cross-instance subscription seemed a bit buggy in general - mainly anything posted before I subscribed was missing comments & votes if it showed up at all. If you wait a bit for your feed to have new content, it’s all pretty correct from what I’ve seen so it is still quite usable. I just got a bit lazy about subscribing to new Burggit communities as they crop up, so I’ll either wait for bugfixes, or mass-subscribe in one go.
    • The more I think about it, if I want Reddit-tier content I’d rather just get it off Reddit anyway. I personally have no recent beef with Reddit in the first place since I don’t use mobile, I just wanted to see if Lemmy ended up being a bit more free-spirited about loli. The answer has basically been “no”, which I guess I should’ve seen coming with how Mastodon developed. I do think the writing is on the wall for Reddit sometime after the IPO happens, but I have no reason to jump ship early.

    As an aside, I find it deeply funny how many Reddit alternatives don’t allow NSFW in general, as if that wasn’t one of the largest draws in the first place. I have a feeling Reddit is going to be able to boil the frog that is their general userbase for a few years yet.



  • I dunno that much about web dev, but from my understanding:

    Why the hell is semicolon sometimes needed, sometimes optional?

    I think that’s called ASI if you haven’t come across the term already. Semi-colons are less like “optional”, and more like the JS parser takes its best guess as to where semi-colons should go in addition to explicit ones.
    Personally, I prefer to leave code formatting decisions like that to an opinionated formatter like Prettier and just never think about it again.

    What the fuck is anonymous/arrow function? Why do I have to make a function only to be used once?

    These are trappings of functional programming. If you’re learning this stuff mostly for fun, I can recommend taking a detour to dabble in a purely(-ish) functional language for at least a little bit. It’ll probably be even more of a head-scratcher than JS, but it should quickly become obvious as to why anonymous functions are a handy convenience. More importantly it forces you to conceptualize a problem from a functional approach, which you might otherwise avoid in more popular multi-paradigm languages since it’s unfamiliar.

    As for why functional programming is handy, there’s doubtless more thorough and knowledgeable primers on the web, but as for me the two big ones that immediately come to mind are:

    • New avenues for separation of concerns. I think a typical example to point out is sorting: FP makes it trivial to separate the sorting algorithm from how you want the data sorted, you just pass a comparison function alongside the data, which the sorting algorithm then repeatedly calls.
    • Concurrency safety. Purely functional solutions are basically impossible to shoot yourself in the foot with as far as parallelism. More realistically, with unpure solutions the more you can borrow from a functional approach, the fewer avenues you have to shoot yourself in the foot with respect to parallelism.

    For JS, lifetimes and scope seem like they’d be kind of unwieldy, without knowing a bit about FP and more specifically closures.