Again, try to be a bit more level headed.

Rich.

Tell this community to fuck off with their replies and down votes. I’m the only one speaking reason in a sea of dumbasses and you are trying to ping me for being unreasonable in the face of 20+ messages pinging me.

It’s a dog pile. I know these happen on the internet, but how about you recognize a dogpile and instead be a bit less accusatory (You’re getting emotional over something) under these circumstances.

I’m sorry I care about truth here. And your level of technicalities in the face of this is rich given the circumstances.

I’m not even saying Walz did bad or that anything was harmful to Harris. I’m simply pointing out that the Republicans are much happier with this debate than the liberals realize and y’all need to start becoming aware of the underlying problem with the meta-discussion.

If you are just cheering one side without thinking of the greater political story or the place our little discussion hasnin the world of political issues, you will be too ignorant to truly make lasting change.

Part of that is being honest about the performance of politicians on widely watched debates, and understanding the image projected upon your political opposition.

JD Vance went +19% on favorability.

Polls aren’t subjective. It’s just asking a question, recording the stats and then publishing some graphs.

Yeah they can be fucked with, but WashPo, CBS and CNN aren’t some right wing bullshit site who lies about results.

WashPo, CBS and CNN reports JD Vance won the debate in quick polls of swing state voters post debate.

Cope harder. There is simple truth on this issue and I’ll continue to speak the truth here.

Lefties pretending that MAGA goes away after the election are fucking dumb. It won’t go away on its own and we need to work political strategies to counter it.

Because they are losing the factual discussion with me here.

Polls from CBS and CNN confirm that JD Vance won the debate last night and that JD Vance is up huge in favorability.

They don’t like to see how unpopular liberal viewpoints really are. Or the reality of the American political system. But we need to push reality above all, we cannot afford to be complacent moving into this election.

JD Vance is like +19 points in favorability today post-debate.

Recognize the threat and sit the fuck down. I’m on your side. But we all need to recognize what is or isn’t working in politics. JD Vance’s performance worked. That’s the face of our political opponents, and it’s a solid working strategy.

Don’t be blinded by short term Trump issues. JD Vance is the longer term threat now, even if Trump loses we have many decades of JD Vance ahead of us, especially with his performance last night.

You didn’t even read the article.

A flash poll conducted by CNN and SSRS after the debate among 574 registered voters who watched the showdown found that 51 percent of respondents said that Vance came out on top, compared to 49 percent who said the same of Walz. The margin of error was +/- 5.3 points.

A CBS News flash poll performed in conjunction with YouGov also showed Vance winning by a slim margin, with 42 percent of 1,630 respondents saying they thought the Ohio senator won the debate, to Walz’s 41 percent. The margin of error was +/- 2.7 points. Seventeen percent of respondents said the debate was a draw.

What you, and your system of copera is doing, is muddying the waters and ignoring JD Vance performance.

Trump dies in a few years, he’s a 78-year-old sickly man. JD Vance is the guy we will likely have to deal with the rest of our lives politically speaking. He’s young and clearly taking charge of the ideology. This is a long term problem (even if Trump is the bigger problem).

Are you really denying the poll which has now been replicated on CNN and CBS instant polls?

JD Vance won the debate in every reputable flash poll I’ve read this morning. For fucks sake you dumbass, open your eyes and recognize the political challenge before us.

You’d rather muse on irrelevant technicalities than see the actual polls from the electorate. Small polls are in fact statistically sound btw if handled correctly, and the methodology of focusing on undecided voters is the key here. The election is close and we need every vote we can get to stop Trump, and you are blinding yourself to the truth of the situation.

Cope harder dumbass.

All the polls this morning are that JD Vance outperformed this thing.

Actually, don’t cope. Turn on your fucking brain and see the threat for what it is. Pull your head out of your ass, strategize and make Kamala and Walz win in this upcoming election.

Lies about Walz performance last night do NOT help the cause.

More Americans like what JD Vance pulled last night on TV than you realize. That is the scope of the threat here.

At least anybody who is seriously trying to figure out how to get Kamala and Walz across the finish line.

Q-shits and other groups like that are how we got Trump in the first place. We must defeat that ideology not because of a trump, but because QAnon will continue to influence our politics over the rest of our lives, long after the 78-year old orange man is dead.

Sitting around in a circle pretending Walz had a better night than he actually did is counterproductive. Walz did fine but we must be honest with ourselves here. JD Vance did very well.

At a bare minimum, we need to be honest about which parts of this debate we need to meme and spread around. This moment in this topic is a self-own and plays to Q-anon. So NOT meme this, it’s counterproductive.

Our opponents think the media is in cahoots with Harris / Walz, that Walz is scripted and Harris has an earpiece telling her the answers. To see the moderators of the debate challenge JD Vance like this is proof of the conspiracy. It’s not the shining moment you think it is politically speaking.

January 6th moment later in the debate? Meme that. Spread that one. You need to be strategic about the message if you want any hope of winning. This election is closer than it should be so we need to give it everything we got to reach across the finish line.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/

Yall live in your own fucking reality. I’ll tell you what.

This is a fucking Washington Post screenshot.

Holy shit man. Pull your head out of your own ass. Walz did fine, its not a big deal. But JD Vance outperformed. If you don’t see it then you’re fucking blind and you’re ignoring even left-leaning papers like the WashPo.

JD Vance overperformed here.

JD Vance is really setting himself up to be the future of the post-Trump Republican party.

The “meta” debate is incredible here.

This literally happened right after JD Vance promised to shake hands after the election. It proves JD Vance is a fucking snake who shouldn’t be trusted.

Its a self-own of colossal magnitude. I fear the full effects of which are lost upon too many as it happened in the last minutes of the debate, so too many Americans had mentally tuned out by then.

He maligned my mom because he’s ignorant of the Birtherism thing. Its… fine. I like that kind of optimism actually. It gives me hope for the next generation.

2016 was a long time ago. Its good to see these issues being forgotten. Lets not go back there, vote Kamala. We’re not going back.

and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says.

100% agree on this point.

But that’s also not JD Vance’s goal here. JD Vance’s goal is to sanewash Trump. And he accomplished that.

JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans

I kinda-sorta see where you’re coming from here.

Alas: this is the marine stare. A lot of marines I know do this. I think people in the know are in the know and see JD Vance’s mannerism here as charismatic.

It sounds like your mom’s an idiot

I don’t need to defend my mom against internet strangers, but I assure you she’s not dumb. She’s not even the most brainwashed within my family with regards to Republican talking points. She’s one of the more reasonable ones.

Are you seriously so fucking ignorant of America that you don’t know of how a Obama-birther thinks? Holy shit man. Are you young? Please tell me you’re some kind of Zoomer or something who is new to this politics thing.

At least my generation is mostly about us talking about Birthers / Q / Boogaloos / Manosphere bullshitters in our families (even otherwise reasonable people who have drunk the Kool-Aid), and suddenly I come across someone who is somehow completely ignorant of what is at play or what is at stake here. I almost envy your naivete.

Fact checking isn’t hard if you go by facts.

For fucks sake did you not exist between the years 2016 and 2020?

My mom literally still thinks Obama is a Muslim.

This is the moment of the debate to meme.

Ignore that other one with a bunch of topics. Jan 6th is a simple issue and JD Vance fucked this up.