Macron is hell-bent on dismantling public service

This is a complete myth: France public spending has never been this high (yes, even adjusted for inflation). France has never had so many public employees. France’s health care spending has grown (fast) every year. Taxes have not significantly been dropped either.

Macron’s government has also passed many left-oriented bills: 1 € meals for poor student, free contraceptive and morning after pills, culture check for youth, increased paternity leave, alleviating the SNCF debt, coverage of listening and dental prosthesis, subsidies for increasing housing insulation or repairing clothes, higher taxation on polluting cars, the shutdown of the airport project in Nantes, surrogate mothers, etc. You are telling me none of this could be worked on further with the left?

People voting for the retirement age to be 60 will never agree with people saying it should be 70.

For one nobody is saying it should be 70, for two the 60 year age is being quietly dropped by the left. Everyone knows we ain’t going back to the 1981 age, given the demography.

But the centre and left can recognize there’s an obvious demographic and financial issue. And surely can find a compromise where people with long career and hard labor retire early, and those with office jobs and long studies can probably retire a bit later. In other countries like Germany, alliances ranging from far left to centre right can work on compromises and agree on a single program. It’s perfectly doable to find middle ground.

but you fail to realize how this confirms how bigoted

I think you fail to realize that in 1982, perspectives on LGBT issues were FAR FAR different than they are today. Huguette Bello, a communist which was proposed as a prime minister by the left, refused to support gay marriage, and that was in 2013 not 1982. But she is not a bigot and Barnier is?

Not much no. The far right strategy for the past few years has been to be quiet and appear moderate and dignified, so as to shed their image of fascist extremists. (and yes, that seems to work)

Any compromise with Macron is unfortunately impossible. There is no way a single measure of the NFP would have gotten adopted if they had bent the knee

Of course there are. There’s plenty of ideological overlap on public services, LGBT rights, the environment.

And, sure, the far right should never be an ally, but if the idiots are going to follow you, why tell them to fuck off?

Because when the situation was reversed and the far right voted along with Macron’s party, the left cried about a supposed “alliance with the fascists”.

voted against the decriminalization of homosexuality

This is outright misinformation. He voted against lowering the age of consent for gay sex with minors from 18 to 15 yo. And that was more than 40 years ago too. Homosexuality is legal in France since basically the French revolution back in the 18th century.

You’re so full of shit it’s not even funny.

Says the guy broadcasting fake news.

And, sure, the far right should never be an ally, but if the idiots are going to follow you, why tell them to fuck off?

In a time when avoiding a far right government should be his first concern, I strangely mostly read about him shooting against the left

That’s because the left has also been shooting mostly against his government as well, while ignoring the far right.

Macron can’t run for another term so he doesn’t really care about his future electoral chances.

26,000 people in Paris. That’s basically nothing, the NFP militants came out but there’s no popular support for the protest beyond that.

For the left to call itself “the winner” was a mistake: not only do they control 1/3 of the parlement only, but by refusing all compromise and branding Macron’s party “the enemy” they were guaranteed to never be able to gather more support for their bills. It’s so bad that they were seriously discussing passing some bill on pension reform with the help of the far right.

En tant que Français…

Ou Espagnol, Italien, Polonais… je te fais pas la liste exhaustive des 29 états.

Le marché sans intervention de l’État,

Mais qui parle de pas faire intervenir l’état ? Les libéraux c’est pas les libertariens

je te signal qu’on a déjà essayer en France et c’était pas joli-joli non plus : ça s’appelle le 19éme siècle

Le 19ème siècle n’était pas DU TOUT dépourvu de régulations, c’est pas parce que le code du travail était moins épais que y’avait aucune règles en matière économique ou commerciale, bien au contraire.

Ce qui est bien avec les libéraux c’est qu’ils ont vraiment la mémoire courte…

Alors que les socialistes ils font du révisionnisme historique ? C’est hôpital qui se fout de la charité.

Pas du tout ! Schengen c’est la liberté d’installation permanente, en tant que français tu peux librement aller vivre et travailler partout dans la zone.

car le marché sera toujours "déranger” par les incidences du réel

Par opposition au dirigisme où tout est toujours parfait ? Le marché n’est pas parfait mais on a pas encore trouvé mieux (on a en revanche fait bien pire)

C’est l’espace Schengen, oui, 29 pays où les gens circulent librement. Je connais pas de plus grande zone de libre circulation au monde.

Non il n’y a aucun keynésien en France, ni vrai libéral. Il n’y a pas eu un seul budget en excédent depuis les années 70 donc nada côté keynésien.

je ne vois personne prôner l’ouverture des frontières pour favoriser la libre circulation des personnes et ainsi améliorer la flexibilité du marché

Il y a quand même un nombre significatif de soutiens au marché commun. La libre circulation de l’Irlande à la Roumanie c’est libéral

On pas besoin de ressusciter Marx ou Keynes pour savoir que le programme de Macron n’est pas marxiste et que celui du NFP n’est pas keynésien.

Keynes serait horrifié de voir le niveau de réflexion sur la politique économique et sociale de la France depuis la loi sur les 35 heures en 2000 , les hausses d’impôt massives de la dernière année de Sarkozy en 2011, et la politique soi-disant anti-riches de Hollande, Mélenchon et sbires qui cible en réalité les entrepreneurs et innovateurs.

La gauche française se sert du mot “Keynésianisme” pour donner l’impression que son “on va s’endetter pour distribuer des cadeaux aux ménage” est basé sur une théorie économique sérieuse. Mais elle n’a jamais réellement voulu faire du Keynesianisme (ce qui impliquerais par ex de faire des excédents budgétaires les années de croissance), et je doute que Mélenchon, Faure ou Tondelier aient jamais ouvert un bouquin de Keynes (ou d’un autre économiste qui ne soit ni Marx, Duflot ou Piketty)

Quand on change pas le nombre de logements et le nombre de gens à loger, on change rien à l’équilibre offre/demande et aux prix : y’aura autant de logements en plus à vendre qu’il y aura d’acheteurs en plus qui veulent acheter (ceux qui ne peuvent plus louer)

A côté de ça on construira moins, ce qui, avec le temps augmentera le déséquilibre et les prix.

C’est pas le soucis. Le problème c’est que si c’est plus rentable de faire du locatif, le marché va encore continuer à se réduire pour les locataires. Tout le monde n’a pas forcément ou les moyens ou l’envie d’acheter.

Except the US tax rate is much lower. Paying the sky high French taxes while getting zero in public services in return (unlike actual French tax residents) is basically robbery.

Also just because the US does it means it’s good.

The problem is the “left government” has adopted the most radical component’s entire program (except on nuclear energy and some foreign topics).

If a different minister passes the same “we will tax all french abroad and raises marginal tax to 90%” law, doesn’t really changes anything to the bottom line.

Sure but if you don’t have a majority and need to ally with someone else you have to water down your plans, there’s no other way around it. Neither sides want to partner, but the center is probably more comfortable having no real government and keeping the status quo for the next two years than the left is.

The left didn’t increase its score from past election (about 25-30% of votes). The difference is they went united.

But technically the far right got the most votes and only cross party agreements with the centre and right avoided a far right dominated parliament.

The left also doesn’t want to work with his party. Both Mélenchon and Castes have made it clear it would be their program and only their program and that they would not ally with the presidential party which they blame for everything wrong.

Comme toujours en politique : moins on agit plus on est populaire. C’est quand on commence à prendre des décisions que ça fâche des gens.