I initially thought I’d give them the benefit of the doubt cause I’ve seen them around, and they sometimes say things that look like they can think and hold some kind of conversation. But from the reply they’ve given me, it looks like it was not needed. I was basically Ben-Shapiro-ed there.

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Using Germany as an example to argue against PR is disingenuous on many levels. It shows a lack of understanding of how things work, what things are meant for, and also a blatant disregard of Germany’s history.

1. You’re essentially asking for an electoral system to keep extremists at bay, when no such system exists because it is simply impossible for any system to do that. Trying to use an electoral system for such a purpose is operating at the wrong level if you want to keep extreme views in check.
2. Germany has a unique history with far-left ideologies, how it got dismantled, and how the East and West reunified. If you look at the current state of old East Germany, you’ll see that the prosperity of the West did not flow into the East; their living conditions are bad, amenities lacklustre, there’s not enough jobs around and they don’t pay well, and the Western population can easily buy up their lands and properties just due to how much disparity there is in terms of wealth. And if you look at the electoral map and results of the last election, you’ll see that both far-left and far-right parties have a strong hold on old East Germany. This is the failure of the German government at truly unifying both sides of the old Germany. And if anything, I’d even argue that it’s a successful example of PR at work, as far as being a system goes.
3. Keeping or adopting any kind of Winner-Takes-All system will simply further divide us and keep voters feeling disenfranchised, believing that voting brings no effective change, all for no good reason.

An electoral system is not political. It’s the framework of which you exercise democracy.

Trying to make frameworks, which are meant to surface all voices, suppress certain ones is, frankly, barking up the wrong tree.

You’re gonna need more conditions than that cause you could just slap any a = b = c ∈ ℝ, drop a 0, and call it a day.

Way to blow a good lead and give your opponents ammo, and especially at an opponent that’s trying to grab onto every possible thing that could be an ammo.

Edit: And I also wanna say, man I just can’t with the CPC. Their rhetoric sucks, their role as the opposition is juvenile af (just look at this childish comeback!), and their entire existence feels like they just pull Canadian politics down to the sandpit and make people fight like dumb kids who don’t know and can’t act better.

The Japanese does this!

I’ve definitely heard of irrational hatred towards the Libs from South Asians, but not so much from those of Chinese descent, but tbf my real life circle isn’t that big and we don’t really talk about politics. As an immigrant myself from a similar demographic (am Southeast Asian), I have to say that I don’t understand this rightward shift in voting sentiments. Is it cause they’ve never been under Harper, or never heard of what things were like under him? (I’ve only been here since Trudeau) The Cons never came across as being friendly to non-Whites, and that should already be a warning sign.

But afaik, a good number of the Chinese that I know of are generally supportive of being tough on crime and see Canada as being unsafe, especially the older generation. They praise China for having strong police presence and for its seemingly lower crime rate, and then says things like, “It’ll never be like that in Canada. And to think that we came here because it used to be bad there and was much safer here.” One that I’ve talked to said that he supports the CPC for being tough on crime (allegedly I would say, but nonetheless), and support scaling back immigration even further to hopefully bring back how Canadians used to be much more friendlier (he sees the large increase in new immigrants as a reason why Canadians have become less friendly overall). Perhaps to these people, they would rather trade being possibly oppressed for a chance of having lower crime rate? Idk how that’s more assuring from a safety standpoint but it makes sense to them.

Isn’t the issue here that she can’t re-enter Canada, and IRCC seems to refuse helping her?

Thanks for the link. I’ve updated the post

Thanks for the notice. I thought it’d be nicer if I posted an Indivious link but I guess it’s not that simple :/ I’ll change it to a YT link

So you think someone should somehow just get citizenship just because they’ve stayed there for long enough? Many countries do not approve of dual citizenship, and so most people would have to give up on their original citizenship to become a Canadian citizen. That’s not something to be taken lightly of. People have relationships in their home country, and they might lose easy access to their home country by forfeiting their citizenship and getting a Canadian one. How they get taxed in their original country also changes, and might also be detrimental to their finances depending on how much business and investment they’re conducting. What about having to take care of family?

And even if they don’t have any of those, you may live in a foreign country for 25 years, but you might not have thought of the new country as home, and that could be the case for various reasons, some of which may be bad ones, but there are good reasons as well.

So, like the other comment said, you’re showing a great lack of empathy, but tbf, you might not be aware of these considerations someone has to think about while deciding whether getting that citizenship is worth it.

It might not be manipulation, but from the “buy now” messaging that they said, it effectively is.

Seriously, every time I hear arguments similar to your coworkers, I say the same damn thing, “WTF are you doing here?”

I’ve also heard things like, “Canadians are just not competitive, too laid back, and/or lazy,” and it makes me roll my eyes, like they don’t understand the culture here and just think the US is more “healthily” competitive, people are somehow “more motivated” to work, etc.

“Like seriously, WTF are you still here?”

I grew up in another part of the world and I know what “not competitive” looks like; people literally do not want to care about competition, and their only response when actual competition comes around (inevitably when there’s a similar business in town) would be to lower prices and hammer them ads when a better player comes around. They’re so lazy that they would set up a business, treat their employees badly, have literally no proper vision and path for their business, and expect their business to auto-pilot to success, and for some, their businesses will somehow survive. Workers are also lazy; pushing responsibilities around is basically the national work culture, and those with any sense of responsibility ends up getting burdened by all the work people push around. You can certainly survive and actually thrive here if you know how to protect your time and energy, and continually skill-up (most people don’t do that), but work will feel like a slog a lot of the times just cause of all the above reasons.

If I didn’t see the domain name I would’ve thought this was a parody website.

These people are whackos.

More like “Make every confession an accusation!”

Makes me think that the government should be consulting trustable people who speak Chinese before jumping to these conclusions. This just feels like they’re frantic and possibly extreme in their view of China. We can dislike the Chinese government and be wary of its many machinations, but we should also judge fairly, lest we undermine our own credibility and essentially give the CCP ammo to label the Canadian government as an extremist and xenophobic.

Also, I would say that Chinese, American, and Russian-controlled media all need to be taken with caution. I understand that the US is a more immediate threat, but the other two have long known to be in the game, and especially the Chinese cause they have large diasporas here, and has a large social media arm worldwide.

I can read Chinese so I can verify that the few articles that were linked are linked certainly don’t seem to mention anything negative about Carney. That translation you’ve shared there is accurate.

I was being rather cautious about the source while reading, cause the official source mentions that this is the channel where mis/disinfo was spread about that Lib MP who had to be removed due to election interferences (sorry, can’t recall his name at the moment). But so far, nothing stands out to me here. The article does seem like a base where they could build their own narrative though, since they don’t cite anything (eg when quoting Carney), making it hard to verify whether a statement was truly said or not, and mixing truths and lies is exactly how they like creating false narratives, to make it incredibly tedious to disentangle truths from lies.

As for the other article, nothing stands out too. It’s written quite a lot more sensationally (eg. something like “Trump’s strategy is as such: ‘You (you being Canada here) either kneel down and be our (American) son, or get roasted (by me) on Twitter till you become a shut-in’”). It’s clear that this isn’t a credible news source, but the Chinese (in Asia, not just China, as there are large Chinese diasporas who aren’t Chinese citizens, e.g. Singaporeans and Malaysians) are used to consuming news from these sorts of non-credible channels.

That said, yeah, I’m confused about how and why the gov seems to have selectively linked these articles to say that false narratives have started. There’s potential for it, but these don’t seem to be it

Very funny

Or better, help people transition away from American products. 50% tongue-in-cheek (it’s hard to help people make that change for a variety of reasons, but hey!)

Are they meant to “go somewhere”?