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18·3 hours agoThe tide is sure as fuck going to be shifted. They got that part right.
If you want a preview about how any of these dummies that are actually in the US are going to behave, look for the reaction of the civilian Germans after World War 2. For the most part, it was, “This is awful and unfair, I can’t believe they would be so mean to us, when we didn’t even do anything.”
You know what else doesn’t work?
Not voting and letting Trump get elected.
That shit’s going to do more damage to the left than a million Hillary Clintons depressing the turnout.
(I have more I could say on it, especially pertaining to the difference between accurately describing sins of the Democrats which are depressing turnout versus making up imaginary sins of the Democrats which people will then believe which will depress turnout, but I’m not planning on a long exchange so I’ll leave it there.)
Tell people “healthcare will be free” or “We will cap rent and build housing that won’t cost more than 3x local median income” and then people can’t afford not to vote for you.
- It would have to go through congress, which wouldn’t approve it, so it would be a lie.
- They told people “I won’t do mass deportations or order the assassinations of my enemies” and it didn’t work. Why do you assume that this other stuff would?
With sympathy, panicked thoughts about what to do next, and quite a bit of horror? Absolutely.
With a casual blaming attitude, waiting for someone else to make it better? Sure, they’re allowed to, just like I’m allowed to tell them to go fuck themselves.
I wasn’t talking about Hasan Piker, really. I don’t agree with him, of course. Let me put it this way: If he’d flipped it around and talked about what a good strategy it was for Trump to get all his followers heated up on lies and ready for violence, get billionaires and media to go in the tank for him, and coordinate with enemies of the US to destabilize our democracy in order to get elected so he could keep kicking out the safeguards and guard rails once he’s back in and firmly above the law, seize on any imperfection or compromise in the Democratic side and play it up to the point that a whole bunch of suckers on the left buy into it and depress the vote so he can win, and unfold whatever’s coming now… well, if he’d said that, then he wouldn’t be wrong. But looking at it purely from a standpoint of strategy, in this context, is missing a massive other aspect. Talking about the Democratic strategy, which I think Piker is probably doing sincerely here, is missing the point in the same way. Even talking about how elected officials can get the support of the voters seems like it’ll probably be almost a moot point by 4 years from now.
What I was talking about was OP and the little gang of people who’ve been spreading the narrative that the Democrats are the worst thing, basically indistinguishable from fascism, and are now having trouble hiding their eagerness to double down on assuring everyone that it’s all the Democrats’ fault and this whole thing was inevitable. If any of you guys are inside the United States and honestly believe this, have been withholding support until something more to the your liking comes along, thinking that is a good way to make progress… oh my brother, just you wait, and I hope it’s not too bad for you, when it comes.
That’s why I posted the meme. If OP’s really in the US and on the left, they’re going to be learning a whole bunch of new songs to sing over the next couple of years, I think.
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What?
I don’t even care whether your attitude is, “Oh no, we fucked up,” or you go with option B which is what you’re saying. If you have to wonder whether you’re gloating or not, then fuck you.
3·19 hours agoIt’s not quite that. They’re trying to track down Republican voters who might need to cure their ballots, and try to push them to show up and cast a provisional ballot. It’s one of the least efficient ways to turn money into votes that exists.
125·16 hours ago285,428 idiots so far have voted for Jill Stein.
They are outnumbered 1.8-to-1 by votes for RFK, Jr. or Chase Oliver. My level of hope that the foolish people on the left will be outnumbered by foolish people on the right is: IT’S NOT FUN ANYMORE
I think I will stop the updates, I’m getting scared now.
Almost certainly, the bloodbath won’t be over by bedtime, or by morning. We’ll just have a better idea.
There also aren’t a lot of totalitarian governments that cease their tyranny because the opposing populace hold peaceful protest.
That isn’t true. It’s surprising.
The TL;DR version is that all participation in a society is, at its core, volitional. Even in the most ruthless dictatorship, the police, the dictatorship’s judges, the executioners, and all of them, are still just people waking up in the morning with their families, walking out the door, and deciding how they’re going to handle the situations they’re faced with. There’s no such thing as “the system,” truly. There are just a ton of people interacting, with a bunch of habits they’ve developed for what patterns they’re going to adhere to. What they see, and in particular what they see from any “enemies” they’re faced with, is going to impact their allegiances and what reactions they think are appropriate to the situations they’re faced with.
Some of the most repressive regimes have crumbled, at the end, because the police simply saw which way the wind was blowing and refused to fire on the strikers. Some of the most determined and justified violent revolutions have turned around to become even more repressive than the injustice they were overthrowing.
The details are important, and broad generalizations will always break down sometimes. It’s hard to say what approach is better in all situations. But, if you’re going to make a single general rule, peaceful is better. Certainly in a situation like now, where we still have a mostly civil society, with most of the trappings of the rule of law and stable institutions are mostly intact, peaceful is better.
I am pretty sure that making gasoline cocktails will much further entrench the pro-gasoline-cocktail party. There aren’t a lot of collapsing democracies where adding political violence to the mix is what finally rights the ship and lets civil society continue unhindered and fair again.
There’s also this, apparently unrelated, bomb threat in Georgia from a real US person:
https://thehill.com/homenews/4971819-georgia-poll-worker-bomb-threat/
5·24 hours agoHello misinformation!
It’s good to see Lemmy’s not being left out of the party. I feel included, I feel seen.
13·1 day agoThe chorus of people who just now learned something new and were so excited they left a comment is absolutely wonderful.
(I’ve been accused recently of debatebroing for the Democrats when I wasn’t doing that, so I figured, if I’m going to get the accusation anyway, I might as well do it sometimes, too. What follows is absolute unapologetic debatebro.)
both candidates are deeply unpopular with vast amounts of the population.
This is a little misleading. When politics are as partisan as they are right now, favorability measurements get misleading.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/
Both candidates are favorable with about 44% of the people. I’m comfortable saying that people who consider Donald Trump favorable are completely out of their minds, meaning Kamala Harris is favorable with 44 / 56 = 78% of the people who aren’t completely our of their minds.
This is the first little alarm bell that I saw that this whole paragraph is trying to spin things to make it look like Kamala Harris and Trump are as similar as possible.
Republican Donald Trump pushes far-Right conspiracy theories, calls for mass deportations, and for the military to shoot protesters.
True.
Democrat Kamala Harris continues to support the ongoing war and genocide in Gaza.
Not really.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/kamala-harris-middle-east-foreign-policy
It’s not completely clear. Her expressed opinions are a lot better than Biden’s. What she’ll actually do isn’t clear, although it also might well be the status quo. That whole article is worth reading, to give a good overview of what she thinks and what she’s said. It’s not simple.
Neither candidate offers any real solution to growing anger around the rising cost of living, skyrocketing rents, endless wars, militarization of the police, and the unfolding climate crisis which this summer fueled massive wildfires and catastrophic hurricanes.
Biden raised wages enormously, pulled out of Afghanistan, did some modest police reform (https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/the-biden-administrations-executive-order-on-policing-is-a-foundation-to-build-upon), and took the biggest action on climate change of any US president by about an order of magnitude.
He didn’t do anything about rent that I know of.
I’m not sure if any of that has anything to do with Kamala Harris, but if we’re going to blame Harris for Biden’s support for genocide, it seems reasonable to give her credit for his action on all this other stuff.
For all I know, the whole rest of this article is great stuff. Nothing the Democrats are doing goes far enough. But pretending that the candidates are in any way similar, or that defeating Trump isn’t the most effort-efficient opportunity to make in-person progress that will be available to anyone this year or maybe next year, is silly.
Getting involved in on-the-ground organizing sounds really good. Getting out of, or discouraged about, politics right now is planetary suicide. You can look at this quote from Greta Thunberg, to get the version of this that doesn’t include pretending for no reason that US politics are unimportant right now:
https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/b13a35e5-201b-40a0-83e1-d8382ec0abf8.png
I like how everyone else is saying, “Oh sweet! Look at this thing I just learned today!”
And then this guy is over here with “Well aktually espresso is totally different from drip coffee and so this totally unrelated thing Wikipedia was saying is all wrong I’m so smart.”
I think Lemmy needs some kind of daily “smart person contest” to draw off the energy that otherwise gets spent on trying to find someone to prove wrong in the comments at the expense of everything else. Lord knows, I need one of those too.
Try violations of federal election law:
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=147042
It seems pretty cut and dried.
I think I’ll just post original sources and, as you pointed out, people can figure it out.
You know what else is weird? I don’t go to the big communities on Lemmy.world because they are stupid. I looked at !microblogmemes@lemmy.world today, and holy fuck is it weird.
Look at the comments in that one about Hasan Piker. Try sorting by “old.” I came very early, with skepticism and horror and my little .gif, and I got about 1/3 downvotes and 2/3 upvotes. That seems fair. My meme wasn’t even necessarily a fair thing to say, because I’m not even sure that it’s warranted when directed at the OP. But the reaction shows a healthy split of opinion. There were some people arguing. Some people think the Democrats are awful, some think it’s a horror that Trump won and it’s the fault of the people that didn’t vote. Normal stuff.
Then flip it back to “hot.” It leads off with a slick recitation of all the standard talking points about how it’s all the fault of the Democrats for various reasons, and some bad things about them a lot of which aren’t true. Right away that comment got 37 upvotes, and 1 downvote.
It’s weird. If you look at the default sort of the comments, there’s this whole alternate reality created, that wasn’t the consensus of all the early commenters. You’d get the idea that everyone thinks the Democrats are just bad and useless, and we’re all in agreement about that.
And, probably, that’s how the comments will stay, for posterity.
It’s weird. It’s not what I’m used to, from the smaller communities, even the ones that have a big population of anti-electoralists, or whatever, that I am arguing with.