I recently watched “Pieces” and I was laughing my ass off through the movie, It’s a weird little slasher. It felt like if Terrifier embraced the fact that it was a complete trash movie. Hell maybe even Terrifier was inspired by this .

Other than that I’m a sucker for low budget foreign horror. There is something about bad Indonesian horror films that just makes me smile every time. Late 90’s and 2010’s Japanese horror action films like “versus”, newer ones like “Tokio gore police”, “Robo Geisha” and “meatball machine”

Tetsuo the Iron man is probably one of my favorite films of all time, but I don’t consider that a bad movie by any means.

I’m not wishing death upon Elon! I love him! Boy is so flammable!

The contemporary disdain for postmodernism was a Psy op designed to completely destroy philosophy from the inside. And the supposed replacements for post modernism (metamodernism or whatever) were just pop culture millennial distractions that just took attention away from the philosophical issues of the inadequacies of language and crisis of our communications systems. We became stuck in limbo. Cultural conversation dumbed down by useless culture wars articulated in low attention span pop culture commentary and therapy speak.

I am decidedly against foreign intervention; But American mainstream media and government have a historic eagerness to promote foreign intervention and arming insurrections. so I’d love to see them put their money where their mouth is.

Somebody forgot to take their anti-euclidian drugs

Contrarianism to the concept of survival.

Personally i didn’t even like the original Matrix movie but i can’t deny it’s a landmark for american cinema. But here is a question: has the oppinion on reloaded and revolutions improved over time for the general public?

I remember the hype for the franchise just slowly died down as audienced got dissapointed with the sequels, but now people seem to like them.

Resurrection was weird for me, i can’t place my finger on why but it felt like a matrix tv series edited as a movie.

Have you guys tried begging president Xi to save you? After all the color revolutions america has funded it would be hella funny for america to be saved by a color revolution.

A psychopathic system needs psychopaths to do it’s bidding. If there aren’t enough psychopaths it will create them.

Fear and hunger =D

You seem very earnest on your approach and I appreciate that. The point of me making these comments were not to police who should use AI or not, and I apologize if I gave that vibe.

It’s clear we don’t agree in a lot of things: I don’t believe in artistic disability. I like art when it embraces imperfection, when it’s visceral and vulnerable. I even like art when it’s “uncool” So I don’t think an artist needs time money or passion. They just need to pull some of their humanity and put it out there. And someone at least one or two people in 8 billion will see it.

I could go on. I could tell you I don’t like how AI platforms devalue artists while devouring their life’s work. I even think these platforms could have a damaging effect on our culture. And I don’t like how tech corporations want to monopolize everything.

But like you said that is not your interest in that and you are not a corporation, you are an individual that uses their platforms and it would be a mistake to berate you for that. But you seem really interested in expressing yourself. So I just want to end on the idea that someday somewhere you could grab a musical instrument or a brush or a pen and just enjoy the process without self judgement. I’m not saying you are going to find magic or fulfillment, but just that act of unloading emotion, of giving yourself to the act.

It might not warrant tons of engagement in social media, but you might find something truly yours and personal there.

“because the criticism is nearly always just “I don’t like it”; see the original comment.”

It is odd for you to say that that criticism for generative AI amounts to arguments of taste after openly admitting that you disregarded a good amount of the criticism I just wrote. You want a good faith discussion but you haven’t touched my questions:

Is it valid for people to criticize the use of a specific technology that affects their lives and their work?

I current applications of AI have a capitalistic tendencies then is it safe to say that it won’t exist in a post capitalist society?

Isn’t it true that art is available to anyone but all that Gen AI offers is centralization control and cooption of creative resources?

I didn’t take a writing class this is just normal person writing. What a strange comment.

“I am literally a technical photographer, an artist. I use AI to the extend that it’s useful to me which is exactly not at all.”

It is cool that you are a technical photographer; But that does not make you interested in participating in an art community. You can make photography and disregard other type of artists. Scabs see themselves as workers you see. Or at least they like to mascarade as “hello fellow workers”. Even if you are a commited artist working in the art industry, denying your fellow artists the validity of their criticisms show a sever lack of empathy. Especially because later you stated:

“the exact opposite of what I said. In a world where artists are not forced to participate in the social status rat race, they can pursue their arts however they want and it will mostly not include AI. AI grifters won’t exist because there’s no grift to be done, as artists are not pressured into charging money for their works nobody will care about churning out art, and low-effort generative AI will be shoved aside as easily as we shove other low-effort artistic adventures aside.”

But then you are doing this strange double speak: “Oh I agree with you I am an artist as well” “AI will be shoved aside as easily as we shove other low-effort artistic adventures aside.” So then if we agree on this, what is the point of defending generative AI against criticism? It sounds like criticism towards AI is part of the efforts to criticize the capitalistic logic that would be a utopia to overthrow.

If you really don’t use generative AI; then it is criticism that makes you uncomfortable? Why? Why need to defend something you don’t use? It’s because your fortune cookie meme makes you feel smarter than others?

I repeat the part you didn’t read from a small comment you call “essay”: Ai criticism is valid and necessary because the tools we have now follow capitalistic logic. So a critique of capitalism will include a critique of these tools.

We can argue all you want about hypothetical utopian societies; But the core of this particular argument is that I find it devious to coopt anti capitalist language to deflect criticism from the capitalistic machinery we have now.

Having a computer “imagine” for them is already hampering their expression. Again you are forcing your capitalist logic to someone else. I have Aphantasia. I cannot formulate images in my head and I cannot remember faces. I think exclusively in verbal or written concepts. I studied drawing in college and I developed a method where I would lay down masses of value on paper with charcoal and the cut them down with an eraser and formulate a concept from that. My approach to drawing is explorative, I would have never developed this system if I hampered my artistic exploration by letting a machine imagine for me. I know artists that have Daltonism and they developed an unusual way to represent color because of that.

The crutch of generative AI erases the expressive potential of outsider art because it’s capitalist logic dictates that “good” is a specific standard imposed by the ethos of tech industry shareholders. It is an insult for someone to tell me that I can’t make art, that I need a generative crutch. It is an insult that someone might dare to take away my voice because it is not a standardized product!

Also I am not gonna tough the music, nope, I’m opening my Spotify playlist right now.

Finally the point is not if there is a place for human art. Ai generated dribble is not art because it bypasses the visceral search for human connection through the development of language; AI generative models under capitalist logic, flatten standardize and patronize human communication. There might be other more useful ways to use that technology , even for creative purposes. But at the moment it is valid and necessary to criticize and denounce the tools we have as a reflection of the neoliberal logic that created them.

All this to say maybe it’s time to stop coopting Anti Capitalist rhetoric to defend a system that feeds off capitalist logic.

I love internet radio as much as the next boomer, But what ever happened to music blogs and independent music fans? I like the kind of fanboy that is both a critic and a bridge to new genres.

Arts have some of the lowest barriers of entry imaginable. Anyone can pick up a pencil and do “art”

Your comment tells me you are not interested in art. you are interested in finished products. Your idea of Generative tools giving children a voice is grotesque. Any child can grab a pencil and make a drawing. It is easier than ever for a child to learn visual art as a language or writing as a voice or music as a passion.

But you prefer your child to write a prompt in a vending machine thus negating any humanity that your child could bring to the world of art. The children of the next generations could be holding the next Shakespeare or the next Miyazaki or the next Steven Spielberg. The children that hobble themselves with machine induced Dunning-krueger have been stolen of that opportunity.

A world without capitalism, would not be obsessed with monetizing everything and the lowering deadlines to mass produce garbage. I imagine there would be time for slowness, and introspection. To make less more meaningful art. To propose alternative aesthetics. To judge art as a human act. You are telling me that a free society will choose creativity as automated corporate sponsored vending machines? Well talk about a lack introspection.

There are so many living Artists out there and I love to see hear and read their aesthetic obsessions. I love the musician that mastered the violin as much as I love the urban noise artist that rubs his balls to a contact microphone. I love the novelist that took care to research for his novel by moving and living to the little town they are writing about as much as I love The crude horror short story writer that wanted to exorcise a visceral feeling by adding automatic writing to their new story. I love Tarkovsky and Neil Breen. I love The Russian Arc and saving Captain Alex, especially when watched together in a 2 movie marathon. There was a wide array of outside art that incorporated people with diverse abilities. People who paint without limbs, people whose styles are wildly different from the mainstream. The disabled and incarcerated. You won’t see this art being sold in capitalism because neoliberal capitalism is inherently ableist. so instead capitalist logic suggests that they should wear someone else’s mask. Thus erasing their voices.

A love for art means that you can love and respect what someone else makes. It acknowledges that we are different, that our voices are different and that there are a myriad of forms of communication. Capitalist logic wants to make things uniform and standardized, centralized and dependent of large platforms. Current AI products follow this logic and being critical of it is as valid as criticizing the logic of every good and service that has been coopted and perverted by capitalism

It is hilarious watching people yearn for a communist utopia while trying to silence critics of current production methods. I feel it is only a rhetoric strategy adopted by AI apologists.

My issue with AI in creative fields is that the people that use it seem to hold a contempt towards art as a language. To them creative media that doesn’t follow a certain specification doesn’t exist and holds no value. So they want to jump immediately to the production line notion of a finished product. They don’t believe in the human action of creating a personal language or aesthetic by exploring the limits of language. Language is bypassed by the vending machine. you mix and match a few reductive options and you get your product. AI vending machines are very depending on this mechanistic labeling of art as well. millions of works ranked and scaled through a centralized reductive criteria.

Yes I think it is the AI defenders who are usually reductive in comments.

They reduce the logic of artistic production to capitalist logic: Hence AI art is better because it is “faster” to make and because it looks to a standard or specification to be sold.

They reduce living artists to materials for these vending machines. Always denigrating their work while at the meantime always hungry for the new lora or the virgin territory in training data. Artists are both valuable in bulk but dehumanized, imitated and anonymized.

They don’t believe in human voice or their own voices even. They have infinite hopes for the AI. A big chunk of AI defenders are doomers in a way. Their idea of progress is turning themselves into machines instead of making the system more humane. They always talk about efficiency and judge everything in value scales. Mathematical thinking has no place in art. Especially art made beyond capitalism. The beauty of art is that it transcends value. That it connects us to people with different viewpoints. It expands cultural horizons and subjectivity. Art is useless in the best sense of the word. It is potential beauty looking for a beholder. But that is also a trait that Ai defenders seem eager to bypass. Because art made by centralized models has the tendency to IMPOSE values and solidify subjectivity.

In this respect the generative products we have are a self defeating practice for it’s enthusiasts because it also has the potential to anonymize those who use it. I feel that is the end goal of the consolidation of generative AI models. This is the reason why CEO’s are so obsessed with alignment, censorship and control. It’s not “Skynet as a threat” but rather “Who gets to be Skynet?” Who floods the media with dribble? What AI model creates and sings and speaks for everyone? It’s part of the pitch for large investors.

You could have picked up a pencil a music instrument or a quill, but you choose someone else’s hype cycle. And I feel sorry for the voice we lost.

I came to mention this one! I loved that card game as a kid!

This is why i only listen to music recomedations by Anatoly Bannano the internet’s busiest music nerd ™ and laurie my punk transwomen psychotic co-worker.

Oh what the hell time to hijack this thread… GIMMIE YOUR FAVORITE PLACES TO FIND NEW MUSIC!

You all keep saying that but i don’t see capitalism being overturned any time soon.

Also art made by a computer just sounds like shit.

Sea Oysters! Back when I lived by the coast, I would tag along for a ride with my fishermen uncle; we would cut some oysters with a knife from the side of the port and snack on them through the day; Just opening them up with a knife, add chopped purple onions, avocado, tomatoes, lemon and hot sauce and slurp em’ off the shell!