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Cake day: June 12th, 2023

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  • Everything in the country has been going to shit over the past 15 years thanks to the Tories general policy of, frankly, “fuck the poor”. Public services that the less well off rely on more get stripped to the bone and made more expensive to access. Economic suicides that only really benefit the Tory donors, such as Brexit, Liz Truss’ whole fuck-about, austerity, etc., all make life harder, and things like housing and food more expensive or unattainable.

    The right-wing dominated press in our country wants people to not see why it’s happening (as their owners are those same Tory donors), so they do the classic right-wing brainwashing tactic of blaming an other. This other is usually the immigrant boogeyman who is allegedly ruining the country by simultaneously taking all the jobs from British people and also being lazy leeches taking all the benefits. Which is obviously nonsensical.

    Of course, all the data suggests these are false conclusions and that immigration is of a huge benefit to everyone in this country. However, the people who don’t pay much attention beyond where they get their news, keep getting fed the lies and you see this stuff as a result—people voting against their interests because they want to harm an imaginary foe that they see as the single cause of all their problems. When measures are taken to appease the group, they don’t see the problems they’re upset about resolving and keep pushing for stronger and stronger measures. In turn those will keep not resolving their issues, because they actually have nothing to do with their problems (and in the case of things like the NHS reduced immigration actively makes things worse)

    Got a bit longer than I intended there, but tl;dr people citing immigration issues have been either been conned by the right-wing and turned into useful idiots or are just actual full blown racists. I think most fall into the former category though






  • Sure that’s what farage is calling the party, but that’s like saying North Korea is a democratic republic run by its people and not the autocratic dictatorship that it is, because that’s what the dictators call the country, and bad people wouldn’t just lie like that, would they?

    Farage has a very well documented track record. He’s a far-right fascist, his party will reflect that with policy.

    Populism is just a common tactic for fascists to get their foot in the door—literally the same tactics used by Hitler.

    Farage even said in this election that the supporters of the parties you list have been drawn to reform. I wonder why?











  • I’ve always liked the distinction between needing your job to survive and being okay if it disappeared for at least a few months

    If you have enough to mean you can take your time to look for a good job if you ever lost your current one without having to change your lifestyle, that’s the minimum bound of “enough” IMO. Anything else involves compromise, so therefore is not “enough” by definition.

    I’d say the idealised “enough” is when you can do whatever you decide to do without having to worry if you can afford it.

    Both of these depend on the kind of lifestyle people lead and how much more they would do if they didn’t have to think about money. For some people that idealised “enough” is unachievable, because they’ve decided what they want to do is make more money.

    People that end up chasing money for the sake of having more money will often do so in spite of any moral compass. And FWIW I don’t think there are a high percentage people out there that make “enough” by either of my definitions and that opens up all the exploitation that forces people into shitty jobs and situations they wouldn’t otherwise do


  • How does any of what happened happen if the lib dems refuse the coalition? Cameron’s government collapses before it causes any real harm.

    Exactly, they fell for the lies, continued happily falling for them and operated in lockstep with the Tories for the whole 5 year duration of the coalition. They accomplished nothing they promised and could have even thrown the coalition out once it was obvious and limited the damage they were causing—they did not. The absolute most charitable way of looking at them is completely oblivious imbeciles, and frankly is that who anyone should be voting for?

    Holy shit the lib dems were not victims in the scenario, they enabled the whole bloody thing. They’re demonstrably spineless, stand for nothing and couldn’t resist grasping at the tiny bit of power they got no matter how much damage it caused to everything they were voted in to achieve.


  • Well fair play, I’ve lived in labour strongholds for the past two decades so perhaps that’s why I’ve never seen it from labour, but anecdotally it’s always predominantly lib dems in these lists (e.g. per the BBC articles linked in the posted video description).

    Personal rant regarding your options: (feel free to disregard entirely as this is obviously opinionated)

    For what it’s worth that’s a sucky situation with both the Tory dominance (by the by, where on earth are you that’s still polling that highly for them?!) as well as your labour candidate, but I personally can’t ever forgive the lib Dems for making the Tories king in 2010 in the first place and enabling this decade and a half of shit we have all been enduring. Without them Cameron’s minority Tory government collapses within a year or two.

    But hey, at least they delivered on their campaign promises that were their red lines for going into the coalition!

    Freeze university fees? Nah how about triple them. Alternative voting system? Nah let’s let the Tories scare the general public off the idea for the foreseeable future—oh and give the vote leave con artists (No to AV had the very same people behind it) their practice referendum so they know exactly what to do with the Brexit one, which would likely never have happened if the lib dems didn’t form the coalition.

    They not only failed to deliver on every promise they campaigned on, they reneged on each in the absolute worst possible way.

    I voted for lib dems in 2010 and I’ve never regretted a vote more, and will never make the mistake of supporting them in any way again. I and millions of others will not ever forget all this, so now the only thing they’re demonstrably good for is attracting disillusioned Tory voters away from voting their usual way.


  • Even in this video the presenter details how they often used values from completely unrelated elections because it made them look better.

    Worth highlighting that the more egregious manipulation from the Lib Dems would not be in a constituency where they actually stand a chance (where the video presenter is based and used as a source for his leaflets). The worst is when they’re solidly in third, where they misrepresent their position and cynically try to take votes away from the actual alternative contender—you see more cases of that in the articles linked in the video description