Solar project to destroy thousands of Joshua trees in the Mojave Desert
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/solar-project-destroy-thousands-joshua-100000768.html
It’s crazy to me that a destructive photovoltaic solar project like this one is considered reasonable, but a new nuclear power plant within or adjacent to a city is beyond the pale.
- Fukushima
- Chernobyl
- Threre Mile IslandReasons why a new nuclear power plant within or adjacent to a city is beyond the pale.
The whole article reads like a few locals had time on their hands and maybe in the case of the high school teacher, needed a cause to make himself feel important (some teachers are like that, they got into teaching just so they could impose their beliefs on others. Everybody talks about the damage bad cops do, but no one talks about teachers unless they have gone the route of certain notorious priests). There has never been a major project of any kind that didn’t make someone upset but in the grand scheme of things I think the benefits of this one will outweigh the downsides, however if I lived in the area I might feel differently. But at least a solar project is not going to make the land for hundreds of square miles uninhabitable for years to come.
Funny thing is that when I went to read that article, a couple artices down was an article about how Japan and Norway are still killing whales (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/japan-determined-keep-hunting-whales-210015567.html). I would be a whole lot more upset about that that the loss of a few trees in the desert. What I don’t get is why if they are so concerned about the trees, the government down there didn’t require that they be transplanted rather that simply cut down. There are these big machines called tree spades that can transplant fairly latge trees, roots and all from one place to another. Let the compllaining residents take a tree or two in their yards, then move the rest to another location in the desert.
Uncritically lumping Chernobyl in with TMI and fukushima loses you all credibility.
Chernobyl, where a critically mismanaged and politically nigh guaranteed failed emergency response to a similarly guaranteed foreseen design failure leading to hundreds of thousands of dosed people across all of Europe
… Compared to events largely which have had no detectable radiological health effects on non workers anywhere.
The nuclear industry is far and away the safest and most scrutinized of any industry, try to be honest when you’re making arguments.
The reason people don’t want to put nuclear facilities in convenient places is paranoia.
Complaining about Joshua trees for this is somewhat silly, it’s not one or the other, but the environmental impact is worth discussing.
@Umbrias @SirBoostALot @usa The Joshua trees are relevant because it’s an indictment of the system that produces the incentives that make destroying a forest of them a good business plan. We have the technology to safely generate plenty of reliable, clean electricity nearby to where people will use it. Instead, we go out into the desert and then pick one of the worst spots in the desert just to cheaply conjure up some renewable energy credits and call it good for the environment. It’s sickening.
@fathermcgruder @Umbrias @usa And where I disagree with you vehemently is on the “safely” part. I don’t want to live anywhere near a nuclear power plant, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. I know you believe that Chernobyl and Fukushima were one off disasters that could not possibly happen in North America, but if you are wrong a whole lot of people could die very painful deaths, or very slow and painful deaths depending on the exposure level.
The Joshua trees are kind of a red herring; they are only incidental to the issue, and honestly few people actually care about them except perhaps those living in that area (and I’m not saying that is a good thing, but I’m just saying that most people would not think them a very desirable tree). We can have cheap, safe energy from the sun and wind but some people don’t like that and would prefer to take the chance of exposing potentially millions of people to radiation sickness. THAT is what is sickening.
By the way, do you have any financial interest in, or are you employed by the nuclear power industry? There are not that many people who want to see more nuke plants built so I’m wonder what your reasons are for being so pushy about this.
@SirBoostALot @Umbrias @usa I have no affiliation with the nuclear power industry. I just think global warming is an important problem that cannot be solved by wind and solar power. The risks associated with nuclear power are very small and completely outweighed by the benefits.
The Joshua trees are not a red herring. Their sacrifice is completely unnecessary and it exemplifies the insanity of our clean energy policies.
