I know evolution is governed by chance and it is random but does it make sense to “ruin” sleep if there’s light? I mean normally, outside, you never have pure darkness, there are the moon and stars even at night. In certain zones of the Earth we also have long periods of no sunshine and long periods of only sunshine.

I don’t know if my question is clear enough but I hope so.

Bonus question: are animals subject to the same contribution of light or lack of it to the quality of sleep?

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    4 months ago

    I’m not talking about myself, melatonine, is synthesized by the body when it’s dark, light can reduce or stop the synthesis.

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      Nope.

      It’s a very specific wavelength of light that inhibits it.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin#Regulation

      That’s why there’s “blue light filters” on electronics these days. That wavelength isnt included with moonlight/starlight… maybe on a big full moon there’s be some.

      And why people prefer soft yellowish lights when relaxing and not the bright ass LEDs.

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    The experience of people working the night shift, who use blackout curtains to sleep during the day, would disagree.

    But that’s for a relatively highly regimented sleep cycle. If you slept and worked completely at your leisure, you might end up with one shorter sleep period at night, and one even shorter nap during the day. And without any day-night cycle at all, some people naturally adopt cycles of varying lengths.

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      The experience of people working the night shift, who use blackout curtains to sleep during the day, would disagree.

      Wow, I didn’t know my own experience disagreed with me…

      Or that during my childhood when my dad was swing shift, he was apparently a freak of nature too…

      But that’s for a relatively highly regimented sleep cycle. If you slept and worked completely at your leisure, you might end up with one shorter sleep period at night, and one even shorter nap during the day. And without any day-night cycle at all, some people naturally adopt cycles of varying lengths.

      Again, human variation is a big thing.

      But an individual will change their sleep schedule as they age, which is another supporting point for what I’m saying.

      Evolutionary biologists hypothesis that it was so out of an entire tribe of early hominds, at least some members were likely to be awake. It wasn’t an inate guard duty rotation. But kids and middle age went to bed early, teens went to bed super late, and by then the elderly were waking up.

      If something happened, someone screamed and everyone woke up. And the fires stayed lit all night.

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    4 months ago

    I feel like I’d definitely break an ankle if I tried sprinting otherwise

    Yeah, we played paintball even, but stopped because one guy ran straight off like a 6 foot mini cliff. A couple of us were chasing him and he just disappeared. Was freaky as shit like that scene from LotRs.

    I also have to account for the fact that there was some light pollution

    Yeah, I’m talking really hillbilly stuff, zero light pollution.

    but in the darkest conditions that happen at sea apparently you can’t see your own hands.

    A ship gives off a lot of light pollution, but even without that, between the water reflecting and nothing blocking light, it’s brighter out there unless there’s heavy clouds cover. And even then it’s gotta be a lot of clouds and rough waves or else the light would still be refracting some.

    Now a watertight compartment on a ship with the light switch on the outside?

    Yeah, that’s complete darkness. It’s not just “can’t see your hand in front of your face”. It’s the absolute and complete absence of light. That’s total darkness.

    And it fucks with you very quickly.

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    4 months ago

    “Full darkness” isn’t even a real thing in nature.

    And

    It’s not like climbing into a cupboard, shutting the door, and sealing all the cracks with duct tape.

    So I thought it was pretty clear I meant that to get “full darkness” where you really can’t see, requires extra steps to intentionally make it happen. Just that for the vast majority of human evolution, we weren’t really capable of it, and would have no reason to even try.

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    4 months ago

    You’re talking genetic variation, I’m talking phenotype variation…

    Like, 1 in 200 people is colourblind, or something?

    Again, you’re talking genetics, where it is clearly broken down in 2,3,4.

    However like pretty much everything else, it’s not that clear cut just because the plans were.

    Two people with the same amount of different types of cones are not guaranteed to have the same rod/cone ratio. Even when they have similar genetics for the ratio, things rarely go according to plan as a human develops.

    Like, you know that’s why facial symmetry is attractive right? It shows that things on both halves went according to plan. Which especially for women is a huge bonus for reproductive health.

    Especially for something made up of a whole bunch of small things like rods/cones, it’s not even perfect for identical twins.