• Admiral Patrick@dubvee.org
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    4 months ago

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Fuck this “AI” nonsense, the techbros shoving it into everything, and the Bitcoin cryptobros that came before them.

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    4 months ago

    There was always something that was going to prevent this, they never seriously wanted it to happen, that would hurt fossil fuel donations to politicians

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      4 months ago

      I like conspiracy theories like an average bloke does but have you seen quarterly reports from big tech? Their energy consumption and costs are skyrocketing. Are they in cahoots with big oil coal?

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        4 months ago

        What?

        AI is the excuse to burn more fossil fuels.

        If it was just about AI, it could be used as an excuse to build up renewables.

        What I meant was if the excuse wasn’t AI, it would be something else for the excuse.

        The current admin (and trump if he wins) neither have any desire to cut back on fossil fuels. It’s one of the few things propping up “the economy” which is why Biden is shattering the domestic fossil fuel production records that trump just set a few years ago.

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            4 months ago

            I’m sorry, I just don’t seem to follow these train of comments.

            Each reply just seems kind of random and not related to what I’m saying.

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              4 months ago

              AI is not an excuse to burn fossil fuels. AI exploded and it’s energy consumption exploded, there’s lots of data to back it up. You’re saying if not for AI there would be some other excuse. What excuse would that he? Would fossil fuel industry have to invent something that would consume this much energy?

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                4 months ago

                AI is not an excuse to burn fossil fuels

                AI is not a valid reasons to burn more fossil fuels

                It is definitely being used as an excuse to do so.

                And if it wasnt, something else would be.

                I’m sorry if I’m still not explaining that in a clear way, but I don’t think we’re going to resolve this at this point if it still isn’t.

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                  4 months ago

                  Microsoft and other big tech already power their data centers with their own renewables, and they will continue to do so. In the latest quarterly report from MS they admit they didn’t anticipate AI boom to be this big and so they have to buy more power externally. This is not good for them and they wouldn’t do this on purpose. They will catch up because it’s profitable thing to do.

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      4 months ago

      It’ll be a coal-powered Dyson sphere sustaining data center tasked with generating pictures of celebrity porn, Jesus, flight attendants, babies and seafood. By then AI will enjoy them as much as my mother does.

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    4 months ago

    Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the explanation! I really believe we need to invest in refinement tech to get more use out of fuel instead of worrying about how to infinitely store (and therefore waste) still-useful fuel.

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      4 months ago

      No worries.

      And we already have the tech to do it. Thats how we get the fuel in the first place.

      Because it decays naturally, you’ll never have “pure” nuclear material out in the wild. A certain amount is going to naturally decay. And the more pure it is, the faster it decays naturally.

      It’s just when fuel is used to the point it’s less pure than available ore for cheaper than it costs to refine the used fuel…

      We chuck it under a mountain.

      To get real specific, the remaining issue would be the stuff around the reactor (primarily the primary coolant loop) building up stuff like cobalt 60.

      We can keep refining the fuel forever, but it’s going to make non-fuel stuff also radioactive, and we can’t refine that stuff into fuel. That stuff tho, yeah, throwing it under a mountain, burying it in the desert, it’s not going to cause an issue any bigger than burying non radioactive steel in the same place.