• DessertStorms@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    Like all liberals, she misses the point - if it isn’t anti capitalist, it isn’t helping.
    Especially when it comes to discussion of alienation which is a feature of capitalism, not a bug.

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      1 year ago

      Ever get tired of Capitalism being the cause of all our problems? I do. I was discussing Capitalist Realism yesterday and was overwhelmed by the magnitude of its pervasiveness.

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        It really is at the heart of pretty much every problem that we face today, and one of the things it does best, as you mention capitalist realism, is convince us that it is not only the only way, but that it is the predictable result of “human nature”. It really becomes more perverse, and more enraging, the more you look.

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        1 year ago

        Not exactly tired of it, but I know what you mean. It’s so blinking obvious how it poisons everything. What I’m tired of is trying to figure out how to win over the politically naive to this understanding.

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          I’ve determined that it is impossible until they are affected personally by it. The population is not educated to interpret its effects. This is the impetus to political polarization. Stay strong and informed. When the time comes to direct solutions, you will be needed.

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        1 year ago

        We need a balance of capitalism, socialism, and democracy. We are unbalanced toward capitalism. We just need to tip the scale, not overthrow capitalism.

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          A for profit economy cannot coexist with the planned economy of socialism. In mixed economies, which the US has now, capitalism will always overtake the social policies. It is happening now in Denmark and Norway. They are privatizing their social safety nets. I respect the idea of moderation, but in this case it won’t work. Capitalism must be disassembled and replaced with a planned economy with an actual democratic workplace.

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      1 year ago

      If it is a feature of capitalism why is it not found in all capitalist systems? Why did it take centuries to come about?

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        1 year ago

        You not willing to see a thing because it doesn’t fit in with your narrow and wilfully ignorant world view, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

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          You know nothing about me so your presumptions are at best an indication of poor reasoning.

          This isn’t happening in all capitalist nations and absolutely happens in non-capitalist cultures. The collapse of communities can happen for many reasons. For the USA, which has traditionally been very religious, I suspect much if it has to do with people not forming communities to replace the religious ones previous generations had.

          I get that ML circles tend to lead to an extremely narrow focus and discourage independent thought but you can choose to not be “that guy”. As a Marxist you probably shouldn’t be calling anyone’s world view “ignorant” given the history of Marxism’s failures.

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              Youtube is never a good source for academic discussions. There is no reason to consider the source as having a valid or informed opinion on the issue. Finally, it doesn’t address the fact that this happens in other non-capitalist systems and does not happen in all systems.

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                The sources are given below the video. YouTube is a great source for academic discussions. Universities host forums on there. His opinion is informed(see sources.). Just because loneliness and depression happens in other systems doesn’t negate the fact that it is endemic to capitalism. What system doesn’t have mental health issues.? The point is that capitalism compounds the issue. Maybe instead of dismissing the proposition, do some investigating to find out if it’s true. Just a suggestion.

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                  Youtube is a poor source because it is harder to check questionable claims in video than in print. That is why youtube isn’t a good source.

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          “Aha, someone who disagrees with me and posed a simple question, challenging my claims! ATTACK!!! ATTACK!!! ATTACK!!!”