I recently saw a Christian organization who rescued over 300 enslaved children. While this post is still valid and needs attention we need to stop pretending that it’s being ignored and actually help those people who are rescuing fugitives, refugees and slaves instead of just bashing an ideology online
Eh, my advice is to not hate them. Hate (albeit disguised as righteousness) is their brand… We should pity them, you know, like Jesus might.
Nothing defeats fake religious people like the positive teachings of their own professed religion. Fight cruelty with kindness.
The good eggs, that is to say the Christian/Catholic folks that actually follow the teachings of Jesus, will not mind you denigrating those of their “flock” that do not. Most of them will actually tend to apologize for them, and explain they are lost. These types also almost never try to judge you if you’re not a believer.
Yeah, it’s a double edged sword… I hate when people rag on religion in the same manner certain religious types rag on atheism. That feels like hipocracy, and it’s very common here on Lemmy in the atheist groups.
This said, memes like the one above are fair representation of the grand majority of politically-motivated, religious voters.
You’re not wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that people are taking this low effort meme as a fact. It’s a generalization that holds very true for the masses, not an infallible statement without the possibility of exception.
I don’t know any religious folks that do what your referring to… Not a one. Sure, I believe there are millions of them that do, but the majority (let’s say, over 60-80 million?) don’t seem to.
Nobody needs to seek out and help children in need to be a good person, there are a LOT of issues in the world that need attention…
But these types are fighting a war against women in the name of helping children, and the vast majority of them are doing nothing to actually help children. In fact, they tend to be creating massive problems for children as a whole (I’m not sure many will appreciate their mothers being 13 at birth, or their fathers being rapists, or being given up for adoption because they were 100% unwanted.)
Even then, there’s some problem christian organizations doing these things the wrong way - such as offering money for ‘enslaved children’ and in the process creating child slave markets where none existed.
I have no doubt these organizations have good intentions, but if people aren’t more critical of these organizations they can and will do more harm than good.
And close by my home a Catholic School won a court case, this week, where they argued they had a right to fire a part-time art teacher for getting pregnant out of wedlock. The response to hearing that someone with a low income is going to have to raise a child herself was to take away their tiny income stream.
I agree, I’m always really annoyed to see these kinds of memes. I feel like all the “but what about foster kids” or “what about refugees”? as literal whataboutism arguments against pro-life ideology is entirely unproductive. Every single foster parent I know is religious and specifically Christian (and I know quite a few because I’m trying to get into fostering myself). It’s not because they’re better people, but we need to stop acting like all religious people are bigoted and conservative. Because of my religious upbringing, I’m nervous around religious people. I’m nervous they’ll treat us badly because we’re gay, or scare my child who already has anxiety the same way they did to me, or bully my kid because he wears girl clothes, etc. And it’s good to be cautious, but I’ve been learning a lot of religious people are not bigoted and a lot of them are not even conservative. A lot of them foster and they volunteer to help sick kids, in fact that’s the only place I’ve been meeting them.
Also, not all pro-life people are religious. Abortion used to be a nuanced subject. Now it seems so much more divisive, but there are still a lot of left learning and nonreligious people who don’t like high abortion rate, or don’t like abortion outside of medical emergencies. Even one of my very best friends whom I’ve known for 10 years (who is gay and atheist and extremely liberal) recently said, very quietly, “I don’t really think it’s a good option outside of medical necessity, but I try not to speak about women’s issues because it’s not my place.” People are afraid to stray from their “side” too loudly. I just wish people could have a real conversation without feeling like they’ll get in trouble with their own people for not being extreme enough, for seeing the nuance in a complicated subject.
I think the people simply saying “you can’t because God said no” are stupid, but most people have actual reasons. Likewise, the people who just make these dumb memes instead of giving any facts or insight are also not contributing. There’s an actual interesting and import discussion to have about the right to live, right to terminate, etc. but it’s like no one is able to talk about the actual topic, just “those guys think a bad thing and we hate them.” And we absolutely need to be doing more to help enslaved children, refugees, orphans, etc.
I recently saw a Christian organization who rescued over 300 enslaved children. While this post is still valid and needs attention we need to stop pretending that it’s being ignored and actually help those people who are rescuing fugitives, refugees and slaves instead of just bashing an ideology online
Real talk.
I hate Christo-fascists as much as the next guy, but to think that ALL people of Christian faith are evil and tyrannical is a nonstarter unto itself.
I appreciate the glimmer of good faith arguments in this bad faith argument riddled thread.
Eh, my advice is to not hate them. Hate (albeit disguised as righteousness) is their brand… We should pity them, you know, like Jesus might.
Nothing defeats fake religious people like the positive teachings of their own professed religion. Fight cruelty with kindness.
The good eggs, that is to say the Christian/Catholic folks that actually follow the teachings of Jesus, will not mind you denigrating those of their “flock” that do not. Most of them will actually tend to apologize for them, and explain they are lost. These types also almost never try to judge you if you’re not a believer.
It’s a matter of percentages
One consistent organization does not disprove the rule that religious people are massive hypocrites in general
Yeah, it’s a double edged sword… I hate when people rag on religion in the same manner certain religious types rag on atheism. That feels like hipocracy, and it’s very common here on Lemmy in the atheist groups.
This said, memes like the one above are fair representation of the grand majority of politically-motivated, religious voters.
There are countries on earth where we get beheaded.
FTFY (not trying to defend the church, but still)
You’re not wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that people are taking this low effort meme as a fact. It’s a generalization that holds very true for the masses, not an infallible statement without the possibility of exception.
I don’t know any religious folks that do what your referring to… Not a one. Sure, I believe there are millions of them that do, but the majority (let’s say, over 60-80 million?) don’t seem to.
Nobody needs to seek out and help children in need to be a good person, there are a LOT of issues in the world that need attention… But these types are fighting a war against women in the name of helping children, and the vast majority of them are doing nothing to actually help children. In fact, they tend to be creating massive problems for children as a whole (I’m not sure many will appreciate their mothers being 13 at birth, or their fathers being rapists, or being given up for adoption because they were 100% unwanted.)
Even then, there’s some problem christian organizations doing these things the wrong way - such as offering money for ‘enslaved children’ and in the process creating child slave markets where none existed.
I have no doubt these organizations have good intentions, but if people aren’t more critical of these organizations they can and will do more harm than good.
And close by my home a Catholic School won a court case, this week, where they argued they had a right to fire a part-time art teacher for getting pregnant out of wedlock. The response to hearing that someone with a low income is going to have to raise a child herself was to take away their tiny income stream.
Vote blue then.
I agree, I’m always really annoyed to see these kinds of memes. I feel like all the “but what about foster kids” or “what about refugees”? as literal whataboutism arguments against pro-life ideology is entirely unproductive. Every single foster parent I know is religious and specifically Christian (and I know quite a few because I’m trying to get into fostering myself). It’s not because they’re better people, but we need to stop acting like all religious people are bigoted and conservative. Because of my religious upbringing, I’m nervous around religious people. I’m nervous they’ll treat us badly because we’re gay, or scare my child who already has anxiety the same way they did to me, or bully my kid because he wears girl clothes, etc. And it’s good to be cautious, but I’ve been learning a lot of religious people are not bigoted and a lot of them are not even conservative. A lot of them foster and they volunteer to help sick kids, in fact that’s the only place I’ve been meeting them.
Also, not all pro-life people are religious. Abortion used to be a nuanced subject. Now it seems so much more divisive, but there are still a lot of left learning and nonreligious people who don’t like high abortion rate, or don’t like abortion outside of medical emergencies. Even one of my very best friends whom I’ve known for 10 years (who is gay and atheist and extremely liberal) recently said, very quietly, “I don’t really think it’s a good option outside of medical necessity, but I try not to speak about women’s issues because it’s not my place.” People are afraid to stray from their “side” too loudly. I just wish people could have a real conversation without feeling like they’ll get in trouble with their own people for not being extreme enough, for seeing the nuance in a complicated subject.
I think the people simply saying “you can’t because God said no” are stupid, but most people have actual reasons. Likewise, the people who just make these dumb memes instead of giving any facts or insight are also not contributing. There’s an actual interesting and import discussion to have about the right to live, right to terminate, etc. but it’s like no one is able to talk about the actual topic, just “those guys think a bad thing and we hate them.” And we absolutely need to be doing more to help enslaved children, refugees, orphans, etc.