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I would think the UAE and Saudi Arabia being at the upper end of “most trusted” would have been enough of a red flag that this isn’t credible.
Why wouldn’t UAE or Saudi Arabia citizens not trust their government? Aren’t lots of them family anyways, and spending lavishly on those who aren’t?
Now women, or slave immigrants, I bet they didn’t ask those.
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Lol, Saudis are litteraly scared to say ANYTHING about the government. I’ve been there. The way they explained it to me, you can be jailed for any criticism about the government. So yeah, I think they tend to say what they believe will keep them safe. Plus, I highly doubt any women would even have the right to answer a survey, so that takes 50% out of that statistic.
Citizens. Saudi Arabia is very restrictive over who counts as a citizen.
Ah edelman, the consultancy bureau who helps countries prop up their image. This shit is about as believable as Qatar getting to host the world cup on merit. Imagine seeing this graph and thinking hmmm all these countries who have authoritarian and oppressive governments must be really good to their citizens, instead of thinking that people who speak out of line get shafted lmao.
It’s bought propaganda. It’s like being the shitty student in class who pays a hacker to adjust their grades but instead of something a bit believable asks for an A+. Anyways this shit isn’t even meant for the outside world, it’s just to affirm to their own people that being oppressed is a-OK.
I don’t know about you, but I would rather live in a country with an authoritarian and oppressive government that takes care of its citizens, instead of an authoritarian and oppressive government that oppresses its citizens to protect landlords and corporations profits like I do now.
You realize Edelman used altered surveys for China right? Some questions were left and others were changed because otherwise some people wouldn’t want to participate.
So yeah, I’d rather live somewhere where I can voice my true opinion on my government without fear.
Could you expand on that? What was the content of the surveys and what where the difference? And where does he state that?
For the 2023 report, it said, it removed certain questions and answer options for China and Thailand.. It’s not possible to say which ones because they don’t publish that info.
and free labor on the part of @yogthos@lemmy.ml to promote it.
Which is rich considering he’s a well paid software engineer working out of a western Democracy.
Tankies. The world would be so bland without them.
Bro you post hundreds of times a day on here, and it’s not even a remotely thought out thesis on society. You’re just an imperialist and it’s important to call you out on it.
You used so many words to tell us you have no clue what imperialism is bro. Please do keep on adding hilarity to the thread though. It’s like having a personal court jester.
I’m so glad I could be of service to you then. I’ll consider my contribution valuable and hopefully I can make you laugh here and there.
You are such a sad person.
This is quite a strange thing to say. Should we close our eyes, ears, and minds to ideas that we don’t like or that don’t confirm our worldview? That doesn’t sound very healthy or likely to lead to any sort of truth.
Could you cut that shit up with him being a “well paid” whatever? Have you even gone into Lemmygrad? Most people there are poor. I live in Argentina, one of the countries with biggest inflation in the world and I don’t earn a fucking lot, what’s your excuse there? Stop doing personal attacks, try to use a fucking argument otherwise you are being overly aggressive. There are people all over the world, from a lot of countries that your people have fucked up, so fucking use an argument or shut the fuck up because that’s not the way to engage with anyone.
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Nice one. The good ol’ fuck-you-I-got-mine-logic.
“Let me draw the curve line between the shoe horse ends separating extreme leftism and extreme rightism, so I can claim both are same, and all leftism is extreme!!!”
As always you need to know how to read a survey like this one. The top answers are all countries that don’t allow doesn’t and have a very tight surveillance net. So no surprise in these answers.
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Oh no, how dare you! How could it be even possible? My beloved Western media taught that all Chinese are like Fu Manchu, Russians are orcs and Indians are p*jeets, and I need Marvel Avengers and Captain Amerikkka to save the world!!!
/s right?
Right?
I cannot hear ONE positive thing about China/Russia without them being associated with evil epithets that belong to Nazis, all of which get debunked from time to time. West loves to practice Brandolini’s Law, and this is demonstrably noted with Twitter tweets’ analysis of the past 10 or so years, where it was noted people who had to debunk disinformation had to spend 6-7x more effort. 90% of global media is NATO/Western media, where CFR, Bilderberg and Murdoch media continue to pump disinformation and Cold War McCarthyist bullshit since World War II ended. Considering most of Hitler’s surviving subordinates escaped to USA, and they went onto become heads of various organisations like EU Commission, NASA et al, one must never trust Anglos atleast for the next few centuries.
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Yeah, absolutely unthinkable that people would trust their government when it does such horrible things like lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, building world class infrastructure, providing people with jobs, housing, education, and healthcare. These things must seem like absolute horrors to a typical westerner.
A high trust government usually reflected on people’s behaviour and general society. You do not need a poll to say your citizens trust you. Paradoxically, if you get a survey in China asking if you approval/disapprove of the government, they will say approve and if anyone been to China you will know why. Talking about the government in China is a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down on, especially if you are non-Chinese looking expat.
Polls are meaningless in China, the same attitudes during the Gang of Four (四人帮) still exists today. If Xi was ousted today, the opinion polls will change from 95% approval ratings to calling for his execution.
We seen this During the later stages of the Cultural Revolution, Chinese citizens continued to exhibit strong support for the Gang of Four and the Cultural Revolution. It is likely that if a poll had been conducted at that time, their approval rating would have been close to 100%.
However, following the events of the October 1976 coup, the Chinese people once again rejoiced and celebrated coup and death sentence (which was changed to life imprisonment later on) of the Gang of Four. An eminent writer, Guo Moruo (郭沫若), who had previously expressed admiration for Jiang Qing just a few months earlier, found himself criticizing her within the same year.
This pattern of shifting loyalties and public sentiments was not unique to this period alone. In fact, prior to the rise of the Gang of Four, similar instances occurred involving prominent figures like Lin Biao (林彪) and Liu Shaoqi (刘少奇).
How many Chinese people have you talked to?
Considering I lived in Chongqing for 3 years. Lots. However I kept my politics extremely private. From 12 years to now I saw China slowly turning into a black hole information.
So, what you’re saying is that you lived in China for 3 years and never actually discussed politics with people living there.
Imagine genuinely having convinced yourself that you can’t gauge general public opinion in a country like China. Like there’s a party operative hiding behind every corner listening. 😂
Don’t really need to when you’ve got facial recognition cameras everywhere. Also guessing they didn’t ask the Uyghurs what they think. And regular Chinese folk can’t really Google that shit now can they?
Here’s a playlist with 2382 interviews with Uyghur people from Xinjiang, saying exactly what they think, enjoy (we both know you won’t watch them)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkbOIKUddMBtp0_xEFqn4zey48kkgJq5w
Yeah, it’s a total mystery why people in a country where they’ve seen the most rapid advancements in the standard of living support their government. CPC just hoodwinked everyone by providing them with housing, healthcare, education, and jobs. What they really need to find out about their living conditions is access to US propaganda. Also, why wouldn’t they ask Uyghurs what they think. Your propaganda diet must’ve convinced you that Uyghurs don’t support the government?
Luckily for us, AP went to interview Uyghurs to see what they think:
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On a government sponsored tour, officials took us to meet Mamatjan Ahat, a truck driver, who declared he was back to drinking and smoking because he had recanted religion and extremism after a stint at one of Xinjiang’s infamous “training centers”.
“It made me more open-minded,” Ahat told reporters, as officials listened in.
It’s really difficult debating you because it seems you’re just wilfully ignoring shit.
What shit am I ignoring, be specific. Are you trying to claim that freedom from religious extremism is a negative for people of Xinjiang?
You’re trying to claim that China forcing people into dropping their religion and then parading them to people on a government guided tour is somehow a good thing.
If this really is a benevolent thing, how about some transparency in what’s happening to these people?
If you have a government guided tour, you should be noting what you’re not seeing and don’t trust what you do see.
China isn’t doing anything of the sort. What they’re doing is fighting religious extremism, the sort of which no western country would ever tolerate. It’s interesting how the same people who purport to support human rights are pretty comfortable with theocracy when it suits their geopolitical interests.
Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang which makes it pretty clear that religious people are a target just like everyone else https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html
Here’s another interview with Imams https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
A Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/
Western reports on Xinjiang don’t support the lurid narrative you’re pushing either
- https://idi-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/New-Report.pdf
- https://idi-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/New-Report.pdf
Representatives of Arab majority nations actually wrote a letter to the UN in support of China https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3853509?ln=en
The reality is that US has been funding and arming extremists in Xinjiang trying to replicate Afghanistan model when they toppled a socialist government there. Don’t take my word for it though, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:
Throughout the 1990s, hundreds of Uyghurs were transported to Afghanistan by the CIA for training in guerilla warfare by the mujahideen. When they returned to Xinjiang, they formed the East Turkistan Islamic Movement and came under Catli’s expert direction. Graham Fuller, CIA superspy, offered this explanation for radicalizing the Chinese Muslims:
The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them [Muslims] against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan and against the Red Army. The doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter Chinese influence in Central Asia.
US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west.
And of course, before US started weaponizing terrorists they themselves were fighting these people https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/
you should be noting what you’re not seeing
Lmao so basically there is absolutely no way to make you change your mind because you will invent whatever you want. If you don’t see it, you will just assume it exists and is hidden from you?
This is a wild way to behave. You live in a world that is entirely invented and evidence-free. Any evidence to the contrary is just dismissed as a clever act for the sake of deceiving you.
This is your source, so desperate are you to spread good news about authoritarian regimes you don’t even check your sources
One of the protesters, ex-Edelman employee Lucy Bridgewater, quit due to the agency’s ongoing relationship with oil majors and the impending climate catastrophe. Lucy said: “Edelman is a fine one to talk in its Trust Barometer about politicians misleading the public, when Edelman itself has been misleading us all for decades – first as lobbyists for the tobacco industry, and now the fossil fuel industry. Edelman uses its profound understanding of trust to manipulate public perception of our most pressing issues. We desperately need the great thinking and fresh ideas of our creative industries channelled into solving our greatest challenges – not actively and knowingly make them worse.”
You live in an authoritarian regime bud. No good news to find about it though.
You live in western democracy, yet crave living under an authoritarian regime, whatever floats your boat I guess
I live in a western authoritarian regime where the government works in the interest of a small capital owning class. And I crave living in a country where the working class holds power. I guess boots aren’t gonna lick themselves though, so capitalists are lucky to have people like you around.
massive deposits of lib cope in the comments, we can keep the copium factory working at max capacity for years at this rate. keep up the good work!
Citizens of authoritarian countries often trust their governments more than those in liberal democracies. This apparent paradox is easily explained by the tight control these governments maintain over what people can see and hear. Since Tiananmen the Chinese government has ramped up it’s campaign to eradicate any opinions that are contrary to the government line, and now a whole generation has grown up in this new, hermetically sealed environment.
It’s impossible to systematically lie to an entire country’s population about the country itself. It’s never happened anywhere on Earth and will never do so with current technology. It is however trivial to lie about other countries, which I like to always keep in mind. Think for a moment what reason a Chinese person would even have to dislike their government, when they are clearly doing a good job and actually solving their problems. Even the victims of Tiananmen weren’t those often talked-about “pro-Democracy” students, most were anti-liberalization communist worker protestors.
Imagine if Joe Biden got on a stand tomorrow and told us all that there are no homeless people in America
Actually they’re just really satisfied with the good job their government has done satisfying their needs.
Citizens of authoritarian countries often trust their governments more than those in liberal democracies. This apparent paradox is easily explained by the tight control these governments maintain over what people can see and hear
Your argument was falsified by Harvard a 30 year long study they did on Chinese approval of their government. They found that 95% of the country approved of the government and they specifically say in that study that it is NOT to do with this magical orientalist brainwashing that you claim it is caused by but instead it is caused by the fact that the Chinese population sees constantly improving conditions in their lives. The study also states that their opinions of the government change negatively when conditions decline, just that it doesn’t happen often.
Article on the study: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
The study: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf
Quotes:
the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being,
Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being
You need to readjust your thinking. The fact of the matter is that the popularity of the government in China has nothing to do with the racist claim of brainwashing and control as you claim. And your own research institutions say that themselves. Nobody here can call Harvard biased in favour of the CPC. Nor can they fault a 30 year long completely independent study, literally the longest study of its kind.
Science completely contradicts the racist claims that you are simply regurgitating from reddit comment sections.
The reality of the popularity of the CPC among the Chinese people is that it has improved the lives of the people by incredible amounts, and continues to do so.
Buddy, entire books have been written on how western oligarch owned media works with western regimes to manipulate public opinion. Here are a couple you should read:
- https://archive.org/details/inventingrealit000pare
- https://archive.org/details/pdfy-NekqfnoWIEuYgdZl
Thing is that no amount of propaganda can counter the actual lived experience of the people in a country. This is why there is growing social unrest despite the west having the most sophisticated and best funded propaganda in the world. People can see that their lives are constantly getting worse and they’ve lost trust in the system and the media.
If people’s material conditions in China were declining the same way they are in the west, then people in China would lose faith in their system too. Yet, the opposite is happening because people are seeing their live improve drastically with each an every decade.
