There are supposed to be 136 hostages in Gaza.
At one point both Israel and Hamas seemed to agree that there were approximately
200250 hostages.https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-do-we-now-about-hamas-hostages-2023-10-19/
HOW MANY HOSTAGES ARE THERE?
An estimated 200 people, including 30 teenagers and young children and 20 people over the age of 60, are being held hostage in Gaza, Israel’s public broadcaster Kan said on Thursday, citing military sources.
Hamas says it has 200 hostages and that 50 more are held by other armed groups in the enclave. It said more than 20 hostages have been killed by Israeli air strikes, but has not given any further details.
Edit:
Wikipedia cites a slightly higher numberhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange
In November 2023, Palestinian militants held around 250 people from Israel, including Israeli nationals and non-Israelis following their capture during the Hamas-led attack on Israel.
Edit 2: my mistake, they corroborate their numbers (250)
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According to who?
The IDF?
Why would anyone be listening to them at this point? They lie constantly about damn near everything…
No. Let’s listen to Hamas and Qatar funded AlJazeera. They totally never lie to suit their own needs.
Well, OP linked a CNN article. And CNN says there aren’t 40 noncombatant hostages…
So, no…
We don’t have to just listen to Hamas or Israel.
Because Israel hasn’t been able to kill every international journalist that investigated their genocide. They’ve killed a shit ton, but not all of them.
Demand was 40 hostages, but primarily non-combatant. Then fill the rest with the rest.
Demand
At least your honest about what kind of “negotiations” these are.
Israel made a demand that couldnt be followed, so they can say Hamas won’t agree to cease fire.
What is amazing is that there are some that are ever ready to quote numbers given by Hamas, when they can’t even track 40 hostages.
CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.
So…
Even the source of the article you posted is wrong?
Did you even read the article or just the headline?
The look of a poker player that ran out of chips…
They’ve found bodies of hostages all the time. One just yesterday. I suppose you could do some math to estimate probability of who is living. Only Hamas would know,except they claim not to.
They’re saying less than 40…
Which is what CNN is saying…
The only one saying more is Israel, and how the hell would they know when they’ve spent 6 months flattening everything?
Do you think they know when they blow up and kill Israelis?
Like, you think they’re going in and sorting thru the rubble to check?
There’s no logical reason Israel would have any idea.
Like, you’ve been saying we need to listen to Israel’s numbers. You’re still saying we have to…
And then this:
Only Hamas would know,except they claim not to.
There’s no logical consistency, you’re claiming two opposite things at the same time
The look of a poker player that ran out of chips…
Hamas made a statement like 1-2 months ago that said roughly said “If israel knew where the hostages were they would kill them all”
You are endorsing israel doing exactly that.
Ahh, yes, they aren’t even hostages. hamas took them so they would be protected from Israel.
So would the argument then be if Hamas kidnaps all Israelis, Israelis would be better protected?
The argument is that israel is intentionally killing kidnapped israelis to remove leverage Hamas has over israel. And that he was endorsing israel doing that.
Hamas kidnapping all israelis would mean the IDF (somehow not being kidnapped) would try to kill all israels. Not sure how that makes them safer.
Article is way better than the headline…
The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons.
Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt - it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said.
CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.
Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.
Most hostages are combatants, and that doesn’t meet the details for this requirement
The majority of the almost 100 hostages who remain alive are believed to be male IDF soldiers or men of military reserve age.
Hamas just hasn’t been taking civilian noncombatants as hostages like Israel has been doing.
Totally untrue
Where are Hamas getting them?
Like, do you think this is an actual war where both sides attack each other’s territories?
Seriously, at what point in the last six months would Hamas have captured non combatants?
I am not here to give Israel a W, but Hamas still has a number of civilian captives from the original October 7 attack. Just not as many surviving as was assumed.
According to Israel’s own figures, there are 90 or so living hostages and 30 or so bodies still held by Hamas IIRC. Apparently most of the 90 survivors are non-civilians, based on what Hamas is saying, but some of them still are.
According to Israel’s own figures,
But not according to anyone else’s…
Israel has been flattening the entire area, they can’t keep track of how many they kill, regardless of what country they’re from.
But the article OP linked even says there aren’t 40 noncombatants left…
CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.
I’m not sure what you’re not understanding about this.
Or why you’re listening to Israel still
The hostages were taken on October 7th of last year. Try to keepup.
Try to keepup.
I have…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange
Again, your own article says CNN knows there aren’t 40 hostages left that aren’t noncombatants.
Israel keeps taking civilians hostage, so they have enough.
Since 10/7 the only Israelis Hamas interacts with are combatants. They literally don’t have enough hostages left for this deal, which is likely how the deal arrived at that number.
It’s something that literally is impossible to comply with, and Israel gets to blame Hamas.
This ain’t complicated bub. Your own source agrees with me.
You should read it
