I have no idea where you learned that, but you are just patently incorrect. Judaism is a distinct religion separated from Islam and Christianity. It’s not those religions-lite, it’s its own thing. It is an ethnoreligion, with atheists who practice Judaism culturally.
There is no “factually correct” means of Judaism either, the entire religion is based upon debate and discussion. If you ask two rabbis the same question, you will get four different answers. The word Israel directly translated to “to wrestle with G-d”
Yes, Judaism has its issue but doing this nonsense only serves to harm us.
There is a key religious philosophy in Judaism that athiests who do good deeds are potentially the most giving of all, as it is known for certain that they are doing good things for the sake of being good not out of fear or reward. That is the words uttered from one of the most important Jewish philosophers, ever.
Jews are not your enemy, we are your allies. Evil people tend come for us first, and we will stand up for you when we need to as well. American Jews are extremely chill and extremely left leaning. We are actively pushing back against the US backsliding.
The Torah is very explicit that the god of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the one and only god. Atheists and agnostics who still culturally practice are not exclusive to Judaism.
There is no “factually correct” way of following any of the abrahamic religions that’s why there are differing sects in each one. All Abrahamic faiths worship the same jealous, genocidal god and simply disagree on a few miracles.
The bottom line is, Jews who believe they are chosen by the god their ancestors made up, are just as crazy as any other religious people.
🙄 the chosen people think does not mean what you think it means. Jews disagree on more than just a “few miracles” the religion is literally completely different than other abrahamic religions
Regardless I know there’s no point in arguing with you. It’s ironic you say that other faiths have those who still culturally practice when it’s clear you have internalized Christian hegemony towards Jews and still perpetuate it. You’re acting like a Christian atheist. don’t take your religious trauma out on Jews please
I know exactly what it means I’m Jewish and I was raised orthodox. It’s a hateful, supremacist ideology. I have no interest in being part of a priestly class that governs the goyim.
Once again, all of the abrahamic faiths worship the god of Israel and affirm the hebrew torah is the word of god. That’s not “completely different.”
You’re the one grasping at straws claiming criticizing some of us is criticizing all. It is a sad desperate look and you should be ashamed for perpetuating it.
Hm… interesting. I dunno if you’re being truthful as that’s an extremely common antisemitic canard outside of very very fundamentalist Jewish groups. And calling Judaism supremacist is very sus 🤔
I criticize the texts themselves because that is exactly how religious fundamentalist groups come to exist. There are 100’s of examples of supremacy in Hebrew texts. It saddens me to the core.
I am understanding what you’re saying, and I am telling that you’re wrong. You’re understanding on what religion stands for is coming a very Christianized perspective of what religion is and isn’t and taking that approach towards Judaism is extremely harmful. Someone believing in Buddhism does not mean they explicitly think all religions are incorrect, that’s probably the worst example as Buddhists are explicitly religiously pluralistic. Jews do not see Judaism as being above all religions and that all others are wrong, it’s more nuanced. Judaism is perfectly fine with other religions for the most part in the modern day. Religious pluralism is kind of the general consensus amongst Jews. Philosophically in Judaism its easier for non-Jews to be righteous and enter the afterlife over Jews themselves.
I think the argument prior have is that for religious Jews (~75% in the US) there are religious Jewish laws and a biblical God (~25% of us Jews believe in the biblical God)…
The fact that there is some wiggle room for those 50% of us Jews who believe in a higher power, but not specifically the god of the bible is the part that is lost.
The 25% of Jews who do believe in the biblical God absolutely fall into this meme without question.
Honestly, the problem here isn’t the “Christian atheists”. You are making some claims about Jews the people and others are making claims about Judaism the religion. Unfortunately, everyone is using the same word too describe it.
It feels to be a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish culture and the way it’s inherently disconnected from Christianity, that’s my biggest issue with the meme overall tbh
Unfortunately it isn’t. You can take issue with the overgeneralizing of the 25% of religious Jews who believe in the biblical god… But you are just wrong to think that those 25% do not deserve to be included in this meme. (Or any other jew who believes in their biblical god)
I have no idea where you learned that, but you are just patently incorrect. Judaism is a distinct religion separated from Islam and Christianity. It’s not those religions-lite, it’s its own thing. It is an ethnoreligion, with atheists who practice Judaism culturally.
There is no “factually correct” means of Judaism either, the entire religion is based upon debate and discussion. If you ask two rabbis the same question, you will get four different answers. The word Israel directly translated to “to wrestle with G-d”
Yes, Judaism has its issue but doing this nonsense only serves to harm us.
There is a key religious philosophy in Judaism that athiests who do good deeds are potentially the most giving of all, as it is known for certain that they are doing good things for the sake of being good not out of fear or reward. That is the words uttered from one of the most important Jewish philosophers, ever.
Jews are not your enemy, we are your allies. Evil people tend come for us first, and we will stand up for you when we need to as well. American Jews are extremely chill and extremely left leaning. We are actively pushing back against the US backsliding.
The Torah is very explicit that the god of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the one and only god. Atheists and agnostics who still culturally practice are not exclusive to Judaism.
There is no “factually correct” way of following any of the abrahamic religions that’s why there are differing sects in each one. All Abrahamic faiths worship the same jealous, genocidal god and simply disagree on a few miracles.
The bottom line is, Jews who believe they are chosen by the god their ancestors made up, are just as crazy as any other religious people.
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🙄 the chosen people think does not mean what you think it means. Jews disagree on more than just a “few miracles” the religion is literally completely different than other abrahamic religions
Regardless I know there’s no point in arguing with you. It’s ironic you say that other faiths have those who still culturally practice when it’s clear you have internalized Christian hegemony towards Jews and still perpetuate it. You’re acting like a Christian atheist. don’t take your religious trauma out on Jews please
I know exactly what it means I’m Jewish and I was raised orthodox. It’s a hateful, supremacist ideology. I have no interest in being part of a priestly class that governs the goyim.
Once again, all of the abrahamic faiths worship the god of Israel and affirm the hebrew torah is the word of god. That’s not “completely different.”
You’re the one grasping at straws claiming criticizing some of us is criticizing all. It is a sad desperate look and you should be ashamed for perpetuating it.
Hm… interesting. I dunno if you’re being truthful as that’s an extremely common antisemitic canard outside of very very fundamentalist Jewish groups. And calling Judaism supremacist is very sus 🤔
I criticize the texts themselves because that is exactly how religious fundamentalist groups come to exist. There are 100’s of examples of supremacy in Hebrew texts. It saddens me to the core.
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I am understanding what you’re saying, and I am telling that you’re wrong. You’re understanding on what religion stands for is coming a very Christianized perspective of what religion is and isn’t and taking that approach towards Judaism is extremely harmful. Someone believing in Buddhism does not mean they explicitly think all religions are incorrect, that’s probably the worst example as Buddhists are explicitly religiously pluralistic. Jews do not see Judaism as being above all religions and that all others are wrong, it’s more nuanced. Judaism is perfectly fine with other religions for the most part in the modern day. Religious pluralism is kind of the general consensus amongst Jews. Philosophically in Judaism its easier for non-Jews to be righteous and enter the afterlife over Jews themselves.
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Not believing in other religions does not mean that you believe all others are inherently incorrect. That is a very Christian thing.
This is false. Not believing something does mean someone thinks it has inherently failed its burden of proof.
You should say: not believing doesn’t mean that they are incapable of considering it’s validity.
Also, it’s not christian… but now we are splitting hairs.
I think you reflect the opinions of American Reform Jews.
Orthodox jews are absolutely dogmatic and judgmental, look at Israel.
That’s a very wide generalization, Jews are far less dogmatic as a standard
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Some people jusr don’t realize just how engrained Christianity is in our society.
Yeah, I know… Christian atheists stop perpetuating Christian antisemitism and culturally erasure challenge
I think the argument prior have is that for religious Jews (~75% in the US) there are religious Jewish laws and a biblical God (~25% of us Jews believe in the biblical God)…
The fact that there is some wiggle room for those 50% of us Jews who believe in a higher power, but not specifically the god of the bible is the part that is lost.
The 25% of Jews who do believe in the biblical God absolutely fall into this meme without question.
Honestly, the problem here isn’t the “Christian atheists”. You are making some claims about Jews the people and others are making claims about Judaism the religion. Unfortunately, everyone is using the same word too describe it.
It feels to be a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish culture and the way it’s inherently disconnected from Christianity, that’s my biggest issue with the meme overall tbh
Unfortunately it isn’t. You can take issue with the overgeneralizing of the 25% of religious Jews who believe in the biblical god… But you are just wrong to think that those 25% do not deserve to be included in this meme. (Or any other jew who believes in their biblical god)
Viewing from All and I’ve appreciated reading your perspective in this thread. Thank you.