• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    This is some spicy historical revisionism, haha. Liberals sided with the fascists in Nazi Germany, not the other way around.

    Mind sharing some numbers?

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      6 months ago

      This is some spicy historical revisionism, haha. Liberals sided with the fascists in Nazi Germany, not the other way around.

      Hm? Maybe I’m misunderstanding something. Here, look, I’ll cite my super professional research.

      • “The Social Democrats and Communists were bitterly divided and unable to formulate an effective solution: this gave the Nazis their opportunity”
      • “By now the SA had 400,000 members and its running street battles with the SPD and Communist paramilitaries (who also fought each other)”
      • “Under Comintern directives, the Communists maintained their policy of treating the Social Democrats as the main enemy, calling them ‘social fascists’, thereby splintering opposition to the Nazis.”
      • “Later, both the Social Democrats and the Communists accused each other of having facilitated Hitler’s rise to power by their unwillingness to compromise.”

      Etc etc and so on. I don’t think that there exists a far left in recognized US politics in the same way there was an official communist party in Germany. But I definitely see parallels between Lemmy leftists who don’t want to support the Democrats against Trump, and German Communists who wanted to pick fights with the SPD (and, sure, vice versa) instead of uniting with them against Hitler.

      The SPD, at least, united towards the end with the Center Party and the DVP to support Hindenburg for chancellor as a last attempt to stop Hitler, but by then it was sort of too late anyway; the main damage had already been done. Hindenburg’s death hastened the process of Hitler taking over, but it was pretty much in the cards one way or another from 1932 on.

      Are you talking about the SPD supporting Hindenburg as siding with the fascists? I think they only did that because the alternative would be Hitler. Or what do you mean?

      Mind sharing some numbers?

      Sure.

      • Incarceration rates in the US showing the 0.2% or lower rate up until 1980, and then the skyrocket to 0.683% by 2000
      • USSR population before and after the war
      • Gulag population figures; 1.5 million in 1940 means 0.7% of the USSR’s 194 million population, and 1.5-1.7 million dead out of 18 million total who passed through the system means almost 10% fatality rate for being imprisoned there
      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        6 months ago

        So the Social Democrats did side with the Nazis instead of leftists, got it.

        Thanks for the numbers, again though the vast majority of deaths were due to mass starvation during WWII aftet Ukraine was invaded by the Nazis.