Lets say contentious things about Star Trek! I’ll start!
Where My Heart Will Take Me is actually an amazing theme song.
I’m okay with the candle
The OG Enterprise, NCC-1701, is ugly as sin, inside and out.
Are you saying it should be hauled away as garbage?
See? Now that is the sort of hot take I’ve been hoping for!
I almost added that Voyager is the prettiest and there’s no contest. Glad I left that part unsaid. :)
No, for sure. Voyager is such a sleek and beautiful ship. Never was a fan of the saucer design
Voyager has the best intro song too.
Why though? You are absolutely right.
I did not want to detract from the statement that the OG Enterprise is ugly.
Pretty sure that’s been established as the concensus by now.
My contribution is that Harry Kim deserved to stay an ensign. Considering how often his impulse or libido resulted in disaster (or his own death), he would have been kicked out of Starfleet entirely. Lucky for him, they were stranded in the Delta Quadrant and Janeway needed bodies.
I think Harry picks up too many strays. If Voyager wasn’t in the Delta quadrant, he would have gotten happily promoted up to Lt. Commander of some Miranda or California and retired as a mildly interesting officer who never did anything of note (or gets got in the cold open of some other more interesting ship’s episode). In fact, that so many randos who just happened to be on Voyager can hang with the level of bullshit that ship got up to would be a statistical anomaly if it wasn’t 100% certain that some Future Janeway stacked the deck during assignments for that mission to the badlands.
The mirror universe sucks. It adds nothing to the franchise, and the episodes that involve it are some of the worst in every series
My guess is they had fun making these episodes, and that’s why they kept going
Is it a hot take to say the Shatnerverse mirror universe kicks ass?
I dunno. It does kick ass, though.
100% agreed. They should have forgotten about it after the one TOS episode. I like that episode a lot though.
Idunno. What about mirror Ezri and Intendent Kira?
Honestly? Queer representation by characters in a universe where everyone is evil is, in some ways, a step backward.
That shit’s on Berman. Mirror Kira was such a fun character, allowing Nana to chew up the scenery.
Mirror Kira was fun in that sense, but honestly, I don’t feel like the mirror universe stories added much to DS9 and there are other ways she can show her range.
Big agree. I also want the option of having evil, edgy queers who aren’t from the mirror universe, but that would only make sense against a backdrop of more representation in general
Making Sisko the Emissary added a lot of bad habits to Star Trek that went against a lot of the ideals of early Trek. Kirk and Picard were both supposed to be competent humans, but only that far. Sisko led to writers creating those whose paths were dictated by fate, like Archer and Pike.
I tend to agree.
But I have always enjoyed the dual destiny - that time is irrelevant to the wormhole aliens, so Sisko is only destined to become the Emissary because of normal practical human choices that he was going to make anyway.
It’s fun to watch him wrestle with the way he was raised resulting in his actions turning into a kind of pillar of faith for an alien race.
I don’t know anything about Archer (what was his destiny thing?), but I like what they’ve done with Pike. His knowing how he’s going to die (more or less) doesn’t change his competency as a captain, imo, just gives him some pretty good personal issues to grapple with, in a pretty Trekkie way.
I didn’t actually have a problem with the way Enterprise ended. Setting aside the actual quality of the episode, I think the framing device connecting the beginning and ending of this era of Star Trek was fitting given that this was the end of Star Trek for the foreseeable future.
Yeah. The ending was foreshadowed plenty. The part that hurts is we got 45 minutes instead of the full season that they clearly planned on.
Oh yeah. I guess it’s kind of a shame that we didn’t get to see a longer story for the founding of the Federation.
i never got where people thinking burnham is a mary sue comes from. the whole concept of her character is that she’s a cowboy loose cannon without the competence to back it up. it’s specifically a subversion of every time our hero breaks the rules and steals The Ship and it ends up being ok because they saved the day or stopped the big war or whatever. the series starts with her trying to do just that, bringing about what she wanted to prevent, and getting arrested for it!
Ahem…
Pulaski > Crusher
I am so with you on that.
Janeway was wrong to kill Tuvix and the ends did not justify the means. We have no idea how Tuvix would have performed long term, but he was generally better than the sum of his parts.
To kill a sentient being, effective in his role and pleading for his life, just so you can feel less sad, is a crime.
This is for hot takes, friend.
If a topic is contentious within the community, doesn’t that mean all takes are hot takes?
Hot take!
I’ve only seen a few episodes of TNG, but mine is Q is lame and unenjoyable. Maybe he gets better as the show goes on, but having the first episode involve him was a bad decision.
Au Contraire Mon Captian!
The pilot episode script was for a single episode about Farpoint, the suits decided it should be a 2 parter pretty late in the game. The writers tacked on the Q plot in a bit of a rush. I’m not a fan of the next Qpisode either, that one is just classic season 1 TNG badness, riffing too hard on classic trek before they found their own voice. His appearances get better and better.
The love the mythos of Q and I love John de Lancie’s portrayal of it.
And yet I hated every Q episode I ever watched and I’ll never watch them again.
Maybe it just works better as a thought experiment than sci-fi drama. 🤷
Q Civil War on Voy has always been my favorite. Suzie Plakson (and her hair) just overshadow everyone and everything else in that episode.
If time travel is said to be impossible yet it is so easily achieved in so many story lines in Star Trek than why didn’t they just invent a safe way to travel between periods.
And if there is an eventual temporal war than everything gets destroyed and all life is wiped out in the galaxy. There would have eventually been an extremist group that would have taken the technology to it’s fullest limits and traveled back to a period when the galaxy was very young. They would have severely altered everything to the point of not making any future possible.
It always annoyed me that engineers, scientists and technicians could always find a way to travel back and forth through time “just this once because of this reason” … yet no one takes up the science to recreate the event and bake technology to purposely travel back and forth through time.
I think the shows have actually fielded this issue rather well. Temporal investigations was the start, then the timecops in Voyager and SNW. The Trek timeline is in a constant state of flux to the point that the TOS bridge and the SNW bridge are supposed to be the same place, and the fact that time travel is so easy is a great explanation for how everything in the ‘past’ and future keeps changing on the whims of producers at Paramount.
True and yet, somehow…
Neelix is the greatest character on Voyager.
I will not tolerate this sort of Neelix slander.
I love Neelix, with his toxic positivity and being a perfect foil for Tuvok. Mostly been looking for an excuse to use that gif.
That’s fair, I’m always amazed about how you come up with the most bonkers GIFs in almost every Star Trek thread.
They’re not mine. I just have a knack for sourcing. Do a gif search for swear trek and enjoy losing a lot of productivity.
Neelix is basically the only character on Voyager, the writing is so wildly inconsistent or not present at all for the human characters other than maybe B’ellanna. The writers so clearly did not give a shit on VOY.
ETA I guess it does become the Seven of Nine show eventually, hardly an improvement, but she is technically a character (mean Data with T&A and PTSD).
My 2nd hot take in this comment section: I actually enjoy Star Trek V - The Final Frontier an awful lot. Roasting Marshmelons, singing Row Row Row Your Boat, being one with the horse, killing “God”… What’s not to like?
What’s not to like?
“I know this ship like the back of my hand.” bonk
TNG is pretty meh. I grew up with it, I’ve watched every episode at least twice, but now that I’m as old as Patrick Steward was when TNG started, I have a hard time caring about most episodes.
I think this wins the award. Anyone want to challenge this one?
You have no idea how long I’ve been holding that hot take in.
