• No_Change_Just_Money@feddit.de
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    6 months ago

    You could reduce meat intake and buy higher quality meat whenever financially feasible. Then you help fight the problem but can still look down on vegans

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        6 months ago

        You will get more people to join your cause with a positive message: i.g. “Do these small steps to start” than a negative one, I.g. “If you don’t go fully vegan, you are still part of the problem.”

        “Perfect is the enemy of good.”

        So it is easier to convince people to reduce meat consumption, which than makes it more likely that people will go vegetarian or vegan later

        And i actually feel like vegans on the internet can be too aggressive, alienating people they could get on their side

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        6 months ago

        Small incremental changes are easier to make than big ones. It is also better to have many people reducing meat than just a few full vegans.

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            In my experience they often do go vegan overnight though. The key tends to be actually connecting the food on your plate with where it came from and accepting that animals are capable of suffering. Once that connection is made, animal products simply aren’t seen as food anymore and going vegan overnight is the only logical conclusion.

            Some people may be further along the spectrum towards being vegan when this connection is actually made but regardless of if you are vegetarian, “only eat free range meat”, or an unapologetic meat eater, once the connection is made they are vegan.

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          The word easier here is a choice. What is more comfortable is easier, but eating a plant based diet is very easy. It’s cheaper and widely available in most countries. What you mean by easier really refers to more comfortable, not really to there being less physical obstacles

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            6 months ago

            It is easy once you are in, know what are the good vegan meals and how to cook them etc. Most people will have animal product for each meal - they don’t know better. To them vegans just eat salads and nuts, which is obviously not enticing. If they don’t take the easy way, they will just continue the only way they know how and change nothing.

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              I agree with you. I guess the difference lies in that I would call that laziness. Not knowing how to eat balanced meals (or more precisely, not looking it up), it’s not a matter of it being hard or easy. It’s a matter of simply doing it. All the information is out there and at a level anyone who can read will understand

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                6 months ago

                I mean, you are not wrong. In a way easy way is always the lazy way - doesn’t mean it is wrong. It can be daunting. Some people will take the fast, but hard way. Some people will take the longer/ but easy. If you end up in same destination, it’s a win in the end.

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                  Some people will take the fast, but hard way. Some people will take the longer/ but easy. If you end up in same destination, it’s a win in the end.

                  I guess you meant to say fast but easy, or longer but hard, right?

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                    6 months ago

                    I meant fast as in complete veganism overnight (hard) over slow, gradual change to eventually get to complete veganism (easier).

                    It’s not the usual way the phrase goes I guess, or I just worded it badly