Next year Windows 10 goes End of Life. Microsoft will undoubtedly push windows 11 hard, but a lot of machines won’t support it leading to a few economic points of interest:

The demand for new machines will be high, driving up cost.

The supply of unsupported machines will be high, driving down the used market.

Are you all ready?

  • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
    21·
    5 months ago

    Just get yourself a copy of the LTSC (long term service contract) versions, they will still be supported until 2027, and in the past have been extended by up to 5 years on top.

    It’s the only viable alternative to Linux, for those who can’t switch for one or another reason. Windows 11 is pure cancer.

    • MudMan@fedia.io
      01·
      5 months ago

      Having used 10 and 11 interchangeably since 11 came out… meh.

      I mean, maybe there are additional annoyances from the IT/sysadmin side that I just don’t bump into as a user, but besides some UX downgrades that don’t make sense (that taskbar… why?) it’s a pretty neutral change. Maybe I’m to grizzled by having been there in the switch to 95. I unironically had Windows Me on my computer there for a while. I even caved and did some Vista eventually.

      But not Windows 8. Windows 8 was unusable.

      • Wooki@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        Windows 11 is garbage:

        1. UI is garbage, from right click to the taskbar, its a alpha release being sold to as complete product.
        2. settings missing alot of control panel items and you cant go back in some cases for even simple things like sound device management, network management, all settings are far far from parity.
        3. Poor hardware compatibility, bsod on same hardware is common occurance.
        4. Privacy invasive spyware. From the search service to the telemetry. Its a data mining platform
        5. Security is terrible. Internet connected Services are on by default that shouldnt be like search and telemetry. Any on by default service, like telemetry can and are abused with zero days. Mandated cloud services as a bandaid to poor local account security. Security is a bandaid full stop, from the kernel to cloud services its not secure by design.
        • MudMan@fedia.io
          1·
          5 months ago

          Agree on 1, mostly. I forget that’s the case because I have software installed to fix it, which is fairly trivial but shouldn’t be necessary in the first place.

          2 is a day one meme thing that no longer holds. Sound management in particular is now much better than Win 10 in several key areas, IMO. Likewise with 3. Echoes of Vista and Win 8.1 dragging day one legit complaints way past when they were no longer an issue.

          4 and 5 are the kinds of things that average users typically don’t know or care about (and mostly don’t have to) and are debatable from a power user’s perspective. If the argument is Win10 is reaching end of support and you care about the implications of that, then you are the type of user that can fix that problem. And if you’re the kind of user who doesn’t care about a supported vs unuspported Win10, you don’t care about this specific observation either.

          Let me be clear, I’m not an active apologist for Win 11 or any other Windows, I just don’t have a preference. Win11 was a sidestep, the best I can say for it is that I’m kinda glad MS was semi-forced to keep it as a separate version rather than a patch to 10. But it’s also mostly just fine. A few people got really incensed about it early on and have tried to keep up a pretense that it’s a disaster iteration in the vein of some of the really bad ones, which using it day to day is clearly an exaggeration.

          • Wooki@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            5 months ago
            1. Is absolutely still an issue expecially when manufacturers advise on disabling OS features for compatibility. Dont forget that user base you talk about, this is an OS upgrade so if its not stable, its not suitable. My god is it not stable, read kernal processor power management. Its a stability nightmare for general users.

            So bother with all that mac imitation especially when the upgrade is not possible? Just buy the more power efficient, faster and improved value chrome book.

            • MudMan@fedia.io
              2·
              5 months ago

              Wait, who is talking about ChromeOS? I thought we were talking about Win10 v Win11.

                • MudMan@fedia.io
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  I swear, the fact that people treat operating systems as if they were 90s kids arguing about Sega vs. Nintendo is exhausting and I have zero patience for it.

      • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        The taskbar is one thing, but it’s horribly slow, even on a rather high spec laptop. The delay from clicking start menu icons to programs starting is very noticeable, and some programs freeze regularly. MS Office are actually some of the worst offenders. I tried it for 2 weeks and then did a fresh install of Windows 10.

        I didn’t even mind ME, for me it was running pretty stable. I heard most issues came from people updating from 98 or 98SE to ME, a clean install was usually stable.

        I skipped Vista though, went straight to 7. Still my favorite Windows. 8 was crap, 8.1 was not bad once you applied the taskbar fix.