First, what shows up in all? Users on this instance subscribing to /c/ on another instance will have the posts from that /c/ show up in all. This largely makes all a mess but it also gives a general idea of what the culture the admins are attempting to project this server to be. Additionally, this can only be moderated by the instance admins. Things that you’d rather not see in all have to be done via opt out by navigating to that community (seeing all the posts there) and then blocking it - which is not something that a user considering “do I want an account there?” has the ability to do.
Second is the “what do users of that instance do here?” If instance foo blocks instance bar it means that posts from bar don’t show up on foo - even for people subscribed to foo/c/something on instance bar. However, if there is another instance - qux and users on foo and bar both subscribe to qux/c/something that block has no effect. Users on bar that taunt foo users require individual /c/ moderators to take action to ban those users (and the corresponding people need to report problematic posts and comments). For example, posting articles by Peter Thiel in a technology /c/ (this is an example - imagine a more prolific and polarizing individual) or making polarizing/notfunny jokes about gender fields in !programmer_humor
How much active administration and moderation do the admins and mods want to do? Note also that for all those subs with very little activity ( https://programming.dev/communities?listingType=Local&page=3 ) can make local posts look like a cesspool rather quickly with what would otherwise be an innocuous post on one sub when taken in aggregate.
I am here because with a very few blocks of communities (yes, programming humor) I can have this be something I wouldn’t be embarrassed to have seen in the corner of my screen or access logs while at work.
Note if two instances are defederated from each other they can’t see each others posts & comments on some third instance
So if people from world and people from beehaw comment on a post here people in p.d can see them both but the beehaw users can’t see the world users (if you check this thread on beehaw theres some comments missing)
Due to this and the nature of this instance the people in different instances interacting with each other hasnt been a problem and its mainly the all feed. As you said people deciding whether they want to join the instance can’t curate their all feed while they lurk so having that not be shit is ideal (and reducing the amount of blocks people need to do)
I found an option when digging through the lemmy code yesterday that allows a community to be hidden so it doesn’t show in the all feed which might be the best thing to do currently. (It just can only be set from the backend and has no ui to set it for some reason ). Still allows users to interact here since that hasnt been a problem and still allows people to sub to those communities. Would have to be extended eventually to be able to cover entire instances and could make it a screen when somebody joins the instance of if they want to see things like politics, sports, etc. which could enable or disable different things to be hidden
Digging about (the challenge of trying to find a post on beehaw where I know that EH users have posted and looking at the differences)…
Fortunately, this post thread is - https://beehaw.org/post/7092697 - and you are indeed correct that the EH comments don’t display.
I’ve updated my mental model of how the federation works… though this is moderately surprising suggesting that the federation isn’t just a “do we accept messages from X” but also an active filtering of posts from other instances to check to see if the origin instance of the action by way of the other instance is also not federated.
It would be curious to see (I can’t and don’t expect to get a report of… still would be curious) if, as an admin, are users from a given instance continuing to interact with others on this instance with a similar style as they do on their own instance. Even if the other instances wouldn’t see the followup comment because of defederation it still can set a tone for a /c/ that takes active moderation to resolve.
Two parts to this (as I understand it).
First, what shows up in
all? Users on this instance subscribing to /c/ on another instance will have the posts from that /c/ show up inall. This largely makesalla mess but it also gives a general idea of what the culture the admins are attempting to project this server to be. Additionally, this can only be moderated by the instance admins. Things that you’d rather not see in all have to be done via opt out by navigating to that community (seeing all the posts there) and then blocking it - which is not something that a user considering “do I want an account there?” has the ability to do.Second is the “what do users of that instance do here?” If instance
fooblocks instancebarit means that posts frombardon’t show up onfoo- even for people subscribed tofoo/c/somethingon instancebar. However, if there is another instance -quxand users onfooandbarboth subscribe toqux/c/somethingthat block has no effect. Users onbarthat tauntfoousers require individual /c/ moderators to take action to ban those users (and the corresponding people need to report problematic posts and comments). For example, posting articles by Peter Thiel in a technology /c/ (this is an example - imagine a more prolific and polarizing individual) or making polarizing/notfunny jokes about gender fields in !programmer_humorHow much active administration and moderation do the admins and mods want to do? Note also that for all those subs with very little activity ( https://programming.dev/communities?listingType=Local&page=3 ) can make local posts look like a cesspool rather quickly with what would otherwise be an innocuous post on one sub when taken in aggregate.
I am here because with a very few blocks of communities (yes, programming humor) I can have this be something I wouldn’t be embarrassed to have seen in the corner of my screen or access logs while at work.
Note if two instances are defederated from each other they can’t see each others posts & comments on some third instance
So if people from world and people from beehaw comment on a post here people in p.d can see them both but the beehaw users can’t see the world users (if you check this thread on beehaw theres some comments missing)
Due to this and the nature of this instance the people in different instances interacting with each other hasnt been a problem and its mainly the all feed. As you said people deciding whether they want to join the instance can’t curate their all feed while they lurk so having that not be shit is ideal (and reducing the amount of blocks people need to do)
I found an option when digging through the lemmy code yesterday that allows a community to be hidden so it doesn’t show in the all feed which might be the best thing to do currently. (It just can only be set from the backend and has no ui to set it for some reason ). Still allows users to interact here since that hasnt been a problem and still allows people to sub to those communities. Would have to be extended eventually to be able to cover entire instances and could make it a screen when somebody joins the instance of if they want to see things like politics, sports, etc. which could enable or disable different things to be hidden
Digging about (the challenge of trying to find a post on beehaw where I know that EH users have posted and looking at the differences)…
Fortunately, this post thread is - https://beehaw.org/post/7092697 - and you are indeed correct that the EH comments don’t display.
I’ve updated my mental model of how the federation works… though this is moderately surprising suggesting that the federation isn’t just a “do we accept messages from X” but also an active filtering of posts from other instances to check to see if the origin instance of the action by way of the other instance is also not federated.
It would be curious to see (I can’t and don’t expect to get a report of… still would be curious) if, as an admin, are users from a given instance continuing to interact with others on this instance with a similar style as they do on their own instance. Even if the other instances wouldn’t see the followup comment because of defederation it still can set a tone for a /c/ that takes active moderation to resolve.