We should do our absolute best to not become a siloed instance. I predict we will start seeing certain instances be almost inaccessible which will lead to their users migrating to more open instances. It’s already becoming clear to me that certain instances will lose users over time if they continue actively segregating their instance from others.
Individual bad actors on other instances is not a good enough reason to defederate. If a troll is bothing someone they can be blocked/banned on sh.itjust.works. I don’t expect instance creators to ban all trolls, it’s not possible.
Defederation should be reserved for severe cases when another instance shows no interest in moderating. The two instances defederated right now are justified: one condones the denial historical events and actively censors opposition, and the other was condoning heinous illegal activies regarding underage individuals. These are two clear examples of where defederation makes sense.
Defederation should only be used as a last resort.
My previous post continues this sentiment from a couple days ago here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126
True. Although, I’ve seen even the most aggressively defederated instances of mastodon be very active long-term and even grow. (poa.st may be one of the most defederated instances for example, and 1. there’s still a lot of instances federated to them and 2. they still have a very active userbase.)
Quick note about this:
As far as I know, they don’t actually condone anything regarding “individuals” per se. Afaik Burggit’s underage content is limited to hentai (japanese-style drawings) specifically. Which is not to say it is not illegal, because in Canada, it is illegal and categorized as child pornography.
In my opinion I don’t see that as a limit, hentai can be even more fine tuned to give satisfaction to those who desire it. I don’t want to see it on any platform that I take part in even including www.lemmynsfw.com which has made it explicitly clear that they will not accept anything that even resembles such a thing. ANYTHING related to underage content within that context should be forbidden, it benefits no one and is demonstrably harmful.
Do you mean that you have seen that they do not limit themselves to hentai, and do in fact condone activities beyond that?
True, I read that the general consensus from people in the instance poll is to not allow it.
I mean that I don’t see hentai as a limit, nothing about hentai is “limiting”. It’s still not welcome. I’m glad lemmynsfw made that decision early on to be strict forbidding anything that even slightly resembles that content.
I have moderated very active open chatrooms in the past and lemme tell ya, the “real stuff” is way worse. For the sake of your (and everyone else reading this thread’s) sanity, I won’t go into too much detail about what kids endure. But when it comes to the question of whether a sexualized drawing of a kid is worse than a community-funded video of the abuse of a kid… I’m sure you probably didn’t think much about what you said lol.
Where did I compare such a thing?
Well, I said that it is “limited to hentai” in the sense that there is no real-life underage pornography. There’s no pics & vids of kids basically. And you said that you think that it’s not “limited”, because hentai is way worse than other types of such content, which made me think you were talking about hentai being worse than child pornography, to which I replied as I did.
I said no such thing.
Ok then why did you say it’s not “limited to” then.
To claim something is “demonstrably harmful” you actually have to demonstrate harm, not just cry about people liking fiction you don’t.