Texas leads the charge

  • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
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    7 months ago

    If the claim that illegal is sometimes derogatory is true then the the claim illegal is always derogatory or never derogatory is false.

    No it isn’t. Nothing about “sometimes” being true itself proves the corollary “always” is false.

    Besides, you would think you could end this by giving the example to refuse to proffer of a non-derogatory use.

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      7 months ago

      No it isn’t. Nothing about “sometimes” being true itself proves the corollary “always” is false.

      You’re going to have to provide examples where sometimes means always.

      https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sometimes

      on some occasions but not always or often:

      on some occasions but not always or often illegal can be derogatory.

      Besides, you would think you could end this by giving the example to refuse to proffer of a non-derogatory use.

      There is no way you’ll be honest about the statement. You’ve all ready stated it’s a slur no matter how it’s used.

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        7 months ago

        You’re going to have to provide examples where sometimes means always.

        I’m not the one making the claim here, you are.

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          7 months ago

          I’m not the one making the claim here, you are.

          You keep claiming illegal is always derogatory even though the definition states otherwise.

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            7 months ago

            The definition does not indicate it can be not derogatory—which makes sense because it’s derogatory.

            You despite claiming sans evidence that it is possible to refer to a human being with a pejorative adjective and it be anything other than derogatory, won’t even back up your claim with a single non-derogatory example of its use.

            I get why you won’t—'cause you can’t—but if you were right you’d think You could give an example rather than litigating the implied corollaries to “sometimes”.

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              7 months ago

              The definition does not indicate it can be not derogatory—which makes sense because it’s derogatory.

              It does that what sometimes means. They would use the word always or possiblly omit it and state illegal is derogatory. They instead use sometimes.

              If you can’t be honest about the definition of the word sometimes then why would you be honest about if the statement is derogatory.

              Tell you what, if you can show when sometimes indicates something always happens I’ll give an example.

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                7 months ago

                “Sometimes” is different than “Sometimes although not always

                That I why I had to use different words to type the two different concepts.
                Your definition only listed the first, which does not inherently indicate the second.

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                  7 months ago

                  “Sometimes” is different than “Sometimes although not always”

                  That’s a common mistake to think that but sometimes and not always have the same meaning. Your mistake is so common that there are many articles highlighting this redundancy.

                  https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/31/sometimes-always/

                  sometimes always

                  Expressions like “not always,” “don’t always,” and “aren’t always” overlap in meaning with “sometimes,” but don’t belong in the same phrase with this word—they’re redundant.

                  “Sometimes I don’t always feel like jogging” doesn’t make any sense. Say either “sometimes I don’t feel like jogging” or “I don’t always feel like jogging.”

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                    7 months ago

                    The link you offered does not seem authoritative.
                    The example it proffered of:

                    “Sometimes I don’t always feel like jogging” doesn’t make any sense.

                    Makes perfect sense.

                    Are you going to keep litigating “Sometimes inherently means sometimes not” or are you going to provide an example of a non-pejorative use of referring to a human being as though they themself were illegal?