(In the case that someone in Lemmy still use Google)

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    Yeah, Yandex censors quite a bit, at least since the war with Ukraine:

    Yandex, the leading search engine for Russian speakers, has meanwhile tightened its censorship, removing independent media from its search results.

    And Yandex altered results to trash Navalny.

    But at least they have a banner when they’re likely censoring stuff.

    So I absolutely wouldn’t trust it for anything related to politics or Russian interests. Maybe it’s okay from a privacy and non-Russian interest perspective though, idk, but by default I don’t trust it because Russia is so repressive against media in its country.

    As for DuckDuckGo, here’s what I found:

    That said, it seems as if it’s just reducing the search ranking for Russian “disinformation,” not removing results. That’s annoying, but not as troublesome as Yandex or Google. BTW, I found all of those links through DDG, so it’s not like they’re trying to hide anything.

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      Yandex censors quite a bit](https://rsf.org/en/russian-journalism-chained-kremlin-s-systemic-censorship-0

      You posted content from RSF, which is a CIA propaganda outlet.

      The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) supports RSF’s reporting of media freedom violations throughout the world and especially in Asia.

      Yandex altered results to trash Navalny](

      Navalny was trashed by about 70% of Russian citizens in a mayor election. His approval rate was absymal, and he was only propped up by western countries to create infighting in Russia. This has been NATO’s motive ever since it was formed.

      So I absolutely wouldn’t trust it for anything related to politics or Russian interests. Maybe it’s okay from a privacy and non-Russian interest perspective though, idk, but by default I don’t trust it because Russia is so repressive against media in its country.

      You trust Google a lot, looking at your trust in Graphene and other stuff. Are you a western liberal by any chance? Because there is zero reason to trust western media that loves Zionism and genocide. On the other hand, west keeps lying about Russia and China doing genocides.

      Also, if you are posting western propaganda outlets like NYT, The Verge et al, I should also be able to post Russian sources on western propaganda. But you will claim it is “Kremlin” stuff and claim it is invalid, like you are saying about Yandex.

      That said, it seems as if it’s just reducing the search ranking for Russian “disinformation,” not removing results.

      DDG uses Bing’s index and shows western propaganda results.

      You are trying to poke the bear, and seem more suited to Reddit than Lemmy.

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        You posted content from RSF, which is a CIA propaganda outlet.

        You’re going to need to provide some proof of that.

        Here’s the media bias factcheck for RSF, it’s rated as mostly neutral, high factual reporting, and no failed fact checks in the last 5 years.

        Navalny…

        I don’t see how that has anything to do with Yandex altering search results.

        You trust Google a lot

        Not sure what you mean…

        I trust Google’s security at least as much as other phone manufacturers in the space, I don’t trust their data collection. They’re an ad company, so they stand to gain by having people trust their security, provided that doesn’t interfere with their data collection.

        Are you a western liberal by any chance?

        Depends on your definition of liberal. I do live in the west, and I do ascribe in Liberalism, but not in what most people today call “liberal.”

        zero reason to trust western media that loves Zionism and genocide

        That’s pretty charged language.

        For your information, I try to get my news from a variety of sources. Some of my favorites are:

        • Al Jazeera - especially on world events, not so much on middle-east events (esp. the Israel-Palestine war)
        • The Guardian
        • Reuters
        • Reason
        • NPR
        • BBC
        • Wall Street Journal

        I’m not a fan of Zionism, but I also dislike Hamas. I’d like to see Israel get sanctioned for war crimes, but also Hamas eliminated as a terrorist organization.

        I should also be able to post Russian sources on western propaganda

        Sure, by all means, as long as their source their claims. However, there is lots of documentation of Russia interfering with its media that I’m going to be a bit more skeptical vs a more peer-reviewed publication, especially while Russia is involved in an unpopular war.

        I’m not saying other countries don’t interfere with their media as well, and things like wikileaks are important to help keep all governments honest.

        You are trying to poke the bear

        Are you essentially saying you’re a Russian shill? I just think that’s an interesting choice of words, considering the context.

        I’m not sure what you’re trying to insinuate with Reddit vs Lemmy, please elaborate.