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Needed to add price gouging for parts into the bill as well
Outlawing Product Pairing
Proctor called the legislation “the best bill yet” because it goes a step further than other state’s right to repair laws by calling out and making illegal “product pairing,” in which onboard software makes it impossible to install parts that aren’t from the manufacturer.
Product pairing has become a favorite way for companies to make sure that products they sell are repaired only by them, and it’s not covered in any of the other state’s right to repair laws. Apple relies on product pairing extensively. iPhone owners, for instance, generally can’t replace any parts unless the phone can determine that the replacement is a genuine Apple replacement part. This led Apple, which has supported right to repair legislation in other states, to lobby against Oregon’s bill.
“We remain very concerned about the risk to consumers imposed by the broad parts-pairing restrictions in this bill,” Apple’s principal secure repair architect, John Perry, said in February at a legislative hearing.
“An iPhone contains its owner’s important personal data including financial, health, and location information, and this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required to allow unknown, non-secure third-party Face ID or Touch ID modules to unlock that personal information,” Apple said in a statement on March 4. “We will continue to support repair legislation, but strongly believe this bill does not offer the consumer protections Oregonians deserve.”
That’s all horse-hockey, of course, and basically a way for Apple to publicly support right to repair while denying it to its customers, as noted by iFixit,>
Yeah, it’s in the name is “security”. As if a third party camera or back cover is going to break into the OS, harvest super important user data, and then somehow find some way to transmit it back to headquarters.
You know, or they just want to make money off of selling parts at 200% profit instead of Apples 500%.
The idea that this is somehow a security risk is a giant steamy pile of bullshit to keep people buying their garbage.
The idea that this is somehow a security risk is a giant steamy pile of bullshit to keep people buying their garbage.
There is a very small risk if you’re a high value person, like an important politician or something. But those same people are incredibly unlikely to have something repaired over just buying a new one, so yea bunch of horse shit lmao
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My computer contains much more important information than my phone and there certainly isn’t any parts pairing BS there. I would never trust any biometric authentication alone for securing sensitive information. It’s good to use in addition to a secure password though.
Absolutely! Biometrics are at best a username, not a password.
“An iPhone contains its owner’s important personal data including financial, health, and location information, and this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required to allow unknown, non-secure third-party Face ID or Touch ID modules to unlock that personal information,” Apple said in a statement on March 4.
What BS. Sure, making sure every fingerprint sensor or whatever has a unique signature would allow you to lock a module to a device to prevent tampering and security bypass. But you should be able to just enter a password or recovery code in order to authorize a new part to be used with your device’s security, then it’ll be the customers responsibility to make sure that the part operates as it should. None of Apple’s business.
this bill introduces the possibility that Apple would be required
I’m sorry, are they under the impression that they still own the phone once you buy it?
They are under the impression that they own you
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No, are you under the impression that I was? ;)
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They should at least allow some type of registration system for the parts if they don’t allow existing pairing implementations.
A registration system where only registered parts are allowed, so no clean room (software engineering) third-party manufacturing? Every single part has to be registered with the original device manufacturer? This seems like a detour around right to repair.
This seems like a detour around right to repair.
That’s because it is. That’s all Apple does. Every time they get brought to court around shit, like the app store stuff in EU that just happened, they make it intentionally as difficult as could possibly be while still technically following the request. It’s malicious compliance at every step of the way even when they get caught. They’re so anti-consumer it’s not even funny.
One wheel as well is a notable example for me.
Personal EVS shouldn’t be completely unrepairable and unmodifiable. Just disconnecting the battery will brick it and you have to send it back to the manufacturer…
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Absolutely. Hugh Jefferies on youtube has done a number of videos over the years demonstrating this.
So the bill has balls and teeth?! Impressive.
Like Deadpool’s nether regions.
Balls and teeth, but no game systems, farm equipment, anything with an engine (ice), or…electric toothbrushes. All exempt.
One ball and one tooth.
This is strangely relevant for me. Been trying to fix my expensive Sonicare for a few weeks now. Finally gave up and bought the cheapest knock-off. Left me with a bad taste…
4 years ago off meh.com I got a cheap electric high-speed toothbrush that came with 12 replacement heads. I’m still using it, and it still works great. I actually only replace the head about once a year (I sanitize it more often than that) but it’s been awesome for the $30 I spent on it. 5/5 stars.
Try soaking the brush in vinegar, might help with the taste.
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Hopefully this sort of infects the entire system and causes major companies to essentially give these rights to everyone. It’s not like Apple or Samsung is going to ban products for an entire state… well hopefully.
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Yeah no doubt.
It’s Oregon, with a population of a whopping 4 million across the entire state, so you know what, maybe actually cheaper to cut the state off than to establish DIY supply chain for repairs parts that will undercut your whole product portfolio.
Good luck cutting off Oregon from hardware available in the rest of the states. Cutting off one state poses the same issue as gun legislation or sugar tax in a specific city, people just go to the next state over. And you very likely can’t just say “well sorry, that wasn’t sold in Oregon so that law doesn’t apply.”
They’d need to kill off the entire US market.
They just need to provide zero customer support, no updates to IP addresses in Oregon, etc. No need to prevent people from using devices they own, just stop transacting.
This is super great to see. Normally my home state just follows whatever California passes since we’re a much smaller market, but this time they’re really moving things forward for consumer repairability.
Also, just really reinforces how much I hate Kathy Hochul for absolutely neutering NY’s right to repair bill. Glad I don’t have her as my governor anymore.
Anyone know if the governor will actually sign it, or will they do what the New York governor did?
No one has any insights into the politics of the governor, and the odds of him/her actually signing this?
I can’t wait to see the innovative and creative ways Apple will find to create new forms of nightmare for consumers following that.
I’m staring at “Coh-Jones” for a good minute feeling really confused. Now I just feel really dumb. 🥜
Don’t sweat it. Some days you get the bear, other days the bear gets you.
Did OP edit the title cause it’s correct now with “cojones” which refers to the co-Jones Brothers who had a lot of balls and took risks with their business ventures in 1892.
The term “cojones” originates from the Spanish word “cojón,” which literally means “testicle.” Its use as slang for courage or bravery likely comes from the association of masculinity with these traits, a concept that is prevalent in many cultures. This connection between physical attributes and perceived psychological or moral qualities is common across languages. The exact historical origin point or the first use of “cojones” in this context is difficult to pinpoint, as slang terms often evolve in spoken language before they are recorded in written texts.
In Spanish, “cojones” is a plural noun, and its adaptation into other languages, including English, retains its plural form and its informal, often vulgar connotation. The word’s use to signify courage or boldness reflects a broader metaphorical trend where physical attributes are used to symbolize character traits.
Well, you’re no Drax.
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While Apple has many issues, their support of older phones is really good. You can replace the battery once and still use the same phone for at least 5-6 years.
My current phone is 4.5 years old and still going strong, with latest software versions.
we shoudnt depend on the goodwill of a corporation tho.
phones should be as standardized and open as computers so it doesnt really depend on them.
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Like, say, slow down an older phone so one has to buy a new faster phone? Source
That was not to get you to buy another phone, in fact the opposite. It was to keep your phone functional even though it had a worn out battery.
In phones there is this concept called a ‘race to idle’. Basically, you want your phone to do nothing, because doing nothing uses very little energy. So when you do something on your phone, the goal is to do it as quickly as possible so it can go back to doing nothing and save battery. Your phone will be in this low-power idle state 99.999% of the time. You still want your phone to be responsive though, when you click on something you want it to respond without delay. That means that when you tell it to do something it has to go from this low power state back to a high speed state.
Now, iOS is really aggressive in this, it ramps up the CPU speed really fast. As a result, the power draw of the CPU goes from almost nothing to a high power draw very quickly. This causes problems with old batteries. As a battery ages it not only loses capacity, but it also becomes slower to respond to changes in power draw. If the CPU needs a lot of power quickly and the battery can’t keep up you get a brownout (drop in voltage) and the phone basically crashes and reboots.
So what Apple has done is that when iOS detects this happening (i.e. a crash due to the battery being unable to keep up), it will ramp up the CPU a little slower. Or to use a car analogy: they don’t change the top speed, but are less aggressive on the gas so it takes a little longer to get to that top speed. If you replace the battery it goes back to the original behavior.
This is basically a good thing, the alternative is that your phone keeps crashing. Where they screwed up is that they failed to inform users of this.
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Walk into Apple store, hand over phone, pick it up an hour later. Couldn’t be easier. Looking at prices, 3rd party repair services using non-original parts charge the same or more as Apple does.
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You’d rather have a phone that randomly crashes?
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It’s been like this for a very long time, but you gotta hate somewhere I guess
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standardization.
PCs dont need the manufacturer (eg lenovo dell hp) to push updates to windows because the hardware is standardized and vendors cooperate to make windows interoperable.
this should be a thing with phones. let me get any compatible os into it instead of locking and signing it to the oem’s ancient firmware. better yet, let me get android directly from google or whatever.
Why have this persons comments been deleted? They’ve got upvotes, so likely not that outlandish.
You mean here or in other threads? They’ve made and stood by some ignorant arguments before, just look at their username.
Edit: also you can look at the modlog https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=6104586
tldr they’re a terrible person or troll
Oof, yeah, that is a lot. Good riddance.
Also thanks for pointing that out, didn’t know modlog was a thing tbh.
Yeah for sure, it’s super useful. Also interesting to see if and why your own comments get removed.
Like the time I called someone a zionist shill, I kinda get. The first comment of mine that got removed was a pretty supportive pro-trans comment but maybe the mod thought I was being too aggressive toward the person I replied to? Anyways, love that there’s that transparency here
Google already offers 7 years
If you want this, the market offered you solutions. I have a phone from 2019 that’s too slow, I would not want to use it in 2026 so I wouldn’t need 7 years of updates. They should not be forced on vendors who release budget phones
Good.
Which is why Apple doesn’t like this one but did support California’s
Glueing iPhones and other devices together is do much better for business…you can’t fix it, and a robot can make it so you don’t need to work there and get paid part of the profit.
Louis Rossmann hasn’t uploaded a 20 minute video ranting about it yet so I’d say that’s a point in its favor
I do agree with him on most topics esp right to repair but seriously when will that guy shut up
Probably when measures that genuinely protect the right to repair are enacted on a wide scale.
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I’m confused, was this supposed to be a reply to another comment?
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