The President brags a lot about the economy, so we decided to look at what the President has been saying, compare that to the facts on the ground, and let you decide for yourself.
Then why leave up the post? It’s misleading and preying on Americans, your words. If it’s all lies, why give it a platform? If it’s mixed lies and truth, why not find a better source? Would having a discussion about lies be productive talks? Would having discussions around better sources not provide better discourse?
Right, so let’s say I remove the post (which I’m not going to do), but the actual website stays up. What have I accomplished? At the very least I’ll have removed my criticism of the post that someone could stumble upon randomly. I mean, they may not see it anyway, but if I remove the post, they’ll definitely never see it, the chance won’t exist.
Also, just because I believe it’s deceptive, doesn’t mean others do. It’s entirely possible (and I genuinely hope) someone more informed comes along and sets me right. If someone disagrees with my criticism, then we have a discussion about that, too. As far as quality of sources goes, this is infinitely better than Not The Bee or other satire sites, and the discussion from it can be productive if others want it to be. It might be fruitful to discuss why starting economic analysis is 2021 is generally not a good idea, for example.
This reads as a bad faith argument that says “I’m in charge and this article I don’t agree with that’s also putting down my political opponent gets to stay up. I believe that debate about truthfulness is as important or more important than debate over agreed upon truth.” I don’t feel this article has any less bias just because it’s not from Not The Bee. It’s an obviously biased article AS YOU POINT OUT but in the name of debate it must stay. In 6 months when nobody has proven you wrong, you’ll have given further reach to an article you don’t believe in and not everyone is going to read your comment. Is the community better for it?
Debate about truthfulness is at least as important as debates over agreed upon truth. It’s a fundamental question that’s rarely asked these days. Agreed upon truth take certain frames for granted, and those frames may be wrong.
In 6 months when nobody has proven you wrong, you’ll have given further reach to an article you don’t believe in and not everyone is going to read your comment. Is the community better for it?
Then why leave up the post? It’s misleading and preying on Americans, your words. If it’s all lies, why give it a platform? If it’s mixed lies and truth, why not find a better source? Would having a discussion about lies be productive talks? Would having discussions around better sources not provide better discourse?
Right, so let’s say I remove the post (which I’m not going to do), but the actual website stays up. What have I accomplished? At the very least I’ll have removed my criticism of the post that someone could stumble upon randomly. I mean, they may not see it anyway, but if I remove the post, they’ll definitely never see it, the chance won’t exist.
Also, just because I believe it’s deceptive, doesn’t mean others do. It’s entirely possible (and I genuinely hope) someone more informed comes along and sets me right. If someone disagrees with my criticism, then we have a discussion about that, too. As far as quality of sources goes, this is infinitely better than Not The Bee or other satire sites, and the discussion from it can be productive if others want it to be. It might be fruitful to discuss why starting economic analysis is 2021 is generally not a good idea, for example.
This reads as a bad faith argument that says “I’m in charge and this article I don’t agree with that’s also putting down my political opponent gets to stay up. I believe that debate about truthfulness is as important or more important than debate over agreed upon truth.” I don’t feel this article has any less bias just because it’s not from Not The Bee. It’s an obviously biased article AS YOU POINT OUT but in the name of debate it must stay. In 6 months when nobody has proven you wrong, you’ll have given further reach to an article you don’t believe in and not everyone is going to read your comment. Is the community better for it?
Debate about truthfulness is at least as important as debates over agreed upon truth. It’s a fundamental question that’s rarely asked these days. Agreed upon truth take certain frames for granted, and those frames may be wrong.
It’s certainly not worse off for it.
I guess you’re right. This community has hit rock bottom. Thanks for all you do and don’t do to keep it this way.
Thank you for your contributions and lack thereof to improving it.
Read the rules on the sidebar and maybe things will make more sense to you.