I use windows 11 and I don’t see what all the hate is for. Maybe it’s cuz I use Pro, and click a couple of buttons to hide the “news”… but it seems perfectly fine to me.
Telemetry and many more unsatisying solutions and issues on Windows.
The AMD GPU drivers just sometimes dont detect my monitor.
I cant change between headphones and speakers except when I install some weird drivers for my soundcard.
Updates… every application needs to be running and eating cpu to check individually for updates, even when not used.
Installing dependencies, lirbaries or applications… either figure out how to compile things and manually set paths everywhere or find the right exe in the big web.
No other desktop with different features. Lacking desktop features that slowly get copied from linux to Windows like PowerTools and other things, but still doesn’t have everything. Most desktop tools and eye candy just dont work after a few windows update and tend to break. Many more issues when you just use apps that use the buggy Windows API.
Changing internal things need to be mostly done with regedit. Least user friendliest solution.
But thats whats bothering me on Windows. I use Windows 11 with Ameliorated to play VR games. The rest is unsatisfying and nonsense to do on Windows as Linux has a much greater overall Desktop experience with KDE or Gnome depending on your preference. Much more automation with packages and syncing.
Bro every point you make is the same the other way around.
there’s is apps to remove telemetry, is a pain to do it at updates, but is not as painful as having to use a terminal to fix every fucking issue. A cheap pirateable solution.
in Linux you have to do shenanigans to install Nvidia drivers, if they work. And with amd, a few years ago I had a lot of trouble trying running a 6700xt with Linux. Linux had never worked for my games right of the bat. I always had to deal with some bullshit config beforehand.
my jbl headset didn’t work until I installed weird weird drivers for my device. Same bullshit as windows/linux 10 years ago.
Bro really? Most apps. Either update when you open or close them. How crippling /s
installing dependencies lol. Executing those auto installing redists ONCE must be hard for a Linux user. I’m sure Linux never had a asked you to install a chillion dependencies just to run one app. Or uninstalled something you need, totally ignored considering you just see a list of dependencies and that it. Hell would I know what I really need. For windows, finding software is fucking easy. Just get the thing you want, run the exe, next next next and you’re done. Besides, don’t you use flatpack now?
your last point is just bullshit. If you want to customize, powerusers always have options. Linux and Windows has their own specific apps that works for them. When I wanted a simple overlay app for a game on Linux, I had to compile a lot of bullshit and nearly took a week to make it work. Windows gave me no issues. The app existed and I didn’t need to check if I had xorg or Wayland running (the latter being trash for the games I play, artifacts everywhere) or some other bullshit. Run the exe, next next next, done.
I got some of your points. But Nvidia can be plug and play when choosing the right distro. AMD was always plug and play so I really dont know what issue you had or what distro. Not every Linux is simple.
Arch (EndavoueOS for user friendliness), NixOS or Gentoo dont really uninstall things you just needed. But I had this issue on Debian based distros. When removing one package, its important dependencies can be wiped too, deleting wifi and other important packages. It even says that but I dont like to read a wall of text. I hate debian for this but I would not argue against “Linux” as an entirety.
I tried to setup a very similar setup on Windows on my work experience and dragging windows with super button was possible with AutoHotKey, but was super Buggy. Rainmeter has many weird issues and stop working after updates, and may even force you to reinstall your Windows as a friend mentioned. Transparent Taskbar app was the same experience. What wasnt possible at all was super+right-click to resize the windows. So my workflow was not possible at all on Windows. Thats where Gnome and KDE are golden. Especiall with widgets and extensions enhancing your desktop experience further where I would need to deeply search and hack around in Windows.
Regdist was sometimes needed to be manually configured depending on what you wanted to do with your Desktop. So there is no install thing. But when something provides and needs the regedit, then it happens behind the scenes on the installer of the app, so you downplay the actuall issue and desire to change your desktop in an weird way.
In terms of Compilation.
Thats where Arch Linux and many other distros are satisfying, community scripts with a push of a button (AUR). Combine this with Pamac or some other store and you literally have a push button to install complex things. I never compile things myself but just install the things through AUR and let the job be done.
I see that you have had harsh issues with Linux because you either didn’t knew its alternatives or didnt understand the issues. I tend to rather have solvable issues on Linux than not understandable magic solutions that sometimes dont work on Windows. And you cant gain knowledge of the issue or solution as everything needs to be hidden and magic on purpose.
Linux is literally better on the Desktop Experience because you can decide how you work and how things should behave. Impossible for Windows except you hack yourself your C# dotnet application that controls your Desktop over the Windows API as mostly thats the only way for Windows. On Linux… you can choose your path. You can choose your Desktop, Distro, whatever. Things become easier and easier over time. But as an only consumer, I guess only Operating Systems like SteamOS are ideal. But many people show how they can live easier with Linux Mint or EndavourOS than Windows. Not everyone’s experience.
And I already mentioned why I dislike Windows. Once you have control over your workflow, you will want to have it everywhere. Unfortunately, Windows wants to be a one size fits all OS and doesn’t let you change much unlike Linux Desktops.
ok power user. I’m sure you love all the extra steps it takes to do basic admin functions that used to be one click in 10. I’m sure you love the forced updates and constant addition of edge and search bars to your desktop. I’m sure you love all the privacy invasion and ads shoved into every corner of the OS.
Idk, maybe it’s cuz I’m on the same windows install I’ve been on for a few years, but there are things I dislike, but I’ve changed them, long ago. And occasionally I have to disable another taskbar thing, or well… that’s basically it.
The privacy element is legit, and I do what I can to reduce the amount of tracking they can do. But I game, I play games that don’t run on Linux. Well, the anti cheat doesn’t run on Linux. I check back frequently, because I do see the appeal of Linux. But windows just isn’t as bad (for me) as people make it out to be, and definitely not enough to deal with dual booting or virtualizing windows to maintain access to the games I play most.
Jesus, just take a moment to realize how insufferable you need to be to have people defend Windows. Privacy issues are the only valid argument at this point for Windows and a really good argument so just harp on it.
Edge isn’t a new concept, it’s just replaced IE. Also I don’t get the want to remove it entirely, try removing libcurl and see how functional Linux is for a daily driver. Just set Firefox as your default browser and call it a day, you’ll never see Edge again.
The search bar is one click to hide. Also several distros ship with a search bar.
Ads don’t appear with Windows Pro
Not really sure what setting you’re having trouble getting to, everything’s roughly the same between 7, 10, and 11 for power users.
Same. I know my way around Linux but game enough that switching isn’t super practical.
I haven’t had issues with Windows for years except for one install or upgrade that went sideways one way or another, but I keep backups so 🤷. I’ve never found killing telemetry and nixing features I don’t want to be any more tedious than doing stuff in Linux. Oh no there’s a few extra clicks in the click fest of setting up a new os install to how I like it whaattt will I ever dooooooooo.
I used Windows before and was against Linux because it felt too difficult to get into. That was before I upgraded to Windows 10 and found out that something or the other broke windows every 3 or 4 days. Linux is very easy to fix and doesn’t break often in he first place, and as it turns out isn’t even very hard to get into. I have much more confidence getting into server management software now that I switched to Linux and it has been immensely helpful in other cases too, especially with eh recent developments of WINE and Proton.
How can you tell someone is a Linux user?
Don’t worry they’ll tell you
I use windows 11 and I don’t see what all the hate is for. Maybe it’s cuz I use Pro, and click a couple of buttons to hide the “news”… but it seems perfectly fine to me.
And I’m a power user, with Linux experience.
Telemetry and many more unsatisying solutions and issues on Windows.
The AMD GPU drivers just sometimes dont detect my monitor.
I cant change between headphones and speakers except when I install some weird drivers for my soundcard.
Updates… every application needs to be running and eating cpu to check individually for updates, even when not used.
Installing dependencies, lirbaries or applications… either figure out how to compile things and manually set paths everywhere or find the right exe in the big web.
No other desktop with different features. Lacking desktop features that slowly get copied from linux to Windows like PowerTools and other things, but still doesn’t have everything. Most desktop tools and eye candy just dont work after a few windows update and tend to break. Many more issues when you just use apps that use the buggy Windows API.
Changing internal things need to be mostly done with regedit. Least user friendliest solution.
But thats whats bothering me on Windows. I use Windows 11 with Ameliorated to play VR games. The rest is unsatisfying and nonsense to do on Windows as Linux has a much greater overall Desktop experience with KDE or Gnome depending on your preference. Much more automation with packages and syncing.
Bro every point you make is the same the other way around.
there’s is apps to remove telemetry, is a pain to do it at updates, but is not as painful as having to use a terminal to fix every fucking issue. A cheap pirateable solution.
in Linux you have to do shenanigans to install Nvidia drivers, if they work. And with amd, a few years ago I had a lot of trouble trying running a 6700xt with Linux. Linux had never worked for my games right of the bat. I always had to deal with some bullshit config beforehand.
my jbl headset didn’t work until I installed weird weird drivers for my device. Same bullshit as windows/linux 10 years ago.
Bro really? Most apps. Either update when you open or close them. How crippling /s
installing dependencies lol. Executing those auto installing redists ONCE must be hard for a Linux user. I’m sure Linux never had a asked you to install a chillion dependencies just to run one app. Or uninstalled something you need, totally ignored considering you just see a list of dependencies and that it. Hell would I know what I really need. For windows, finding software is fucking easy. Just get the thing you want, run the exe, next next next and you’re done. Besides, don’t you use flatpack now?
your last point is just bullshit. If you want to customize, powerusers always have options. Linux and Windows has their own specific apps that works for them. When I wanted a simple overlay app for a game on Linux, I had to compile a lot of bullshit and nearly took a week to make it work. Windows gave me no issues. The app existed and I didn’t need to check if I had xorg or Wayland running (the latter being trash for the games I play, artifacts everywhere) or some other bullshit. Run the exe, next next next, done.
Edit: but yeah, put Tabasco in your eyes.
I got some of your points. But Nvidia can be plug and play when choosing the right distro. AMD was always plug and play so I really dont know what issue you had or what distro. Not every Linux is simple.
Arch (EndavoueOS for user friendliness), NixOS or Gentoo dont really uninstall things you just needed. But I had this issue on Debian based distros. When removing one package, its important dependencies can be wiped too, deleting wifi and other important packages. It even says that but I dont like to read a wall of text. I hate debian for this but I would not argue against “Linux” as an entirety.
I tried to setup a very similar setup on Windows on my work experience and dragging windows with super button was possible with AutoHotKey, but was super Buggy. Rainmeter has many weird issues and stop working after updates, and may even force you to reinstall your Windows as a friend mentioned. Transparent Taskbar app was the same experience. What wasnt possible at all was super+right-click to resize the windows. So my workflow was not possible at all on Windows. Thats where Gnome and KDE are golden. Especiall with widgets and extensions enhancing your desktop experience further where I would need to deeply search and hack around in Windows.
Regdist was sometimes needed to be manually configured depending on what you wanted to do with your Desktop. So there is no install thing. But when something provides and needs the regedit, then it happens behind the scenes on the installer of the app, so you downplay the actuall issue and desire to change your desktop in an weird way.
In terms of Compilation. Thats where Arch Linux and many other distros are satisfying, community scripts with a push of a button (AUR). Combine this with Pamac or some other store and you literally have a push button to install complex things. I never compile things myself but just install the things through AUR and let the job be done.
I see that you have had harsh issues with Linux because you either didn’t knew its alternatives or didnt understand the issues. I tend to rather have solvable issues on Linux than not understandable magic solutions that sometimes dont work on Windows. And you cant gain knowledge of the issue or solution as everything needs to be hidden and magic on purpose.
Linux is literally better on the Desktop Experience because you can decide how you work and how things should behave. Impossible for Windows except you hack yourself your C# dotnet application that controls your Desktop over the Windows API as mostly thats the only way for Windows. On Linux… you can choose your path. You can choose your Desktop, Distro, whatever. Things become easier and easier over time. But as an only consumer, I guess only Operating Systems like SteamOS are ideal. But many people show how they can live easier with Linux Mint or EndavourOS than Windows. Not everyone’s experience.
And I already mentioned why I dislike Windows. Once you have control over your workflow, you will want to have it everywhere. Unfortunately, Windows wants to be a one size fits all OS and doesn’t let you change much unlike Linux Desktops.
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Don’t try to argue with tech tribalists my dude.
ok power user. I’m sure you love all the extra steps it takes to do basic admin functions that used to be one click in 10. I’m sure you love the forced updates and constant addition of edge and search bars to your desktop. I’m sure you love all the privacy invasion and ads shoved into every corner of the OS.
Idk, maybe it’s cuz I’m on the same windows install I’ve been on for a few years, but there are things I dislike, but I’ve changed them, long ago. And occasionally I have to disable another taskbar thing, or well… that’s basically it.
The privacy element is legit, and I do what I can to reduce the amount of tracking they can do. But I game, I play games that don’t run on Linux. Well, the anti cheat doesn’t run on Linux. I check back frequently, because I do see the appeal of Linux. But windows just isn’t as bad (for me) as people make it out to be, and definitely not enough to deal with dual booting or virtualizing windows to maintain access to the games I play most.
Jesus, just take a moment to realize how insufferable you need to be to have people defend Windows. Privacy issues are the only valid argument at this point for Windows and a really good argument so just harp on it.
Same. I know my way around Linux but game enough that switching isn’t super practical.
I haven’t had issues with Windows for years except for one install or upgrade that went sideways one way or another, but I keep backups so 🤷. I’ve never found killing telemetry and nixing features I don’t want to be any more tedious than doing stuff in Linux. Oh no there’s a few extra clicks in the click fest of setting up a new os install to how I like it whaattt will I ever dooooooooo.
I used Windows before and was against Linux because it felt too difficult to get into. That was before I upgraded to Windows 10 and found out that something or the other broke windows every 3 or 4 days. Linux is very easy to fix and doesn’t break often in he first place, and as it turns out isn’t even very hard to get into. I have much more confidence getting into server management software now that I switched to Linux and it has been immensely helpful in other cases too, especially with eh recent developments of WINE and Proton.
Pro augments nothing in this area. These people are just unstable.
I said this exact same thing a few months ago and was downvoted to oblivion lol
It’s like veganism for nerds.
At least loving linux doesnt make me have digestive issues! Lol
@Cold_Brew_Enema @Shard
Yeah why do we have so big egos 😟