Last time I looked a majority of Brits support the death penalty. Which personally I’ve always found quite disturbing considering all the problems with it.

But 5 mins on any subreddit and you have people frothing at the mouth to hang every criminal.

Which if even more disturbing.

So what do you think?

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    5 months ago

    No.

    You can never be 100% certain that a conviction is correct. There have been more than enough examples in the past of wrongful convictions being overturned years later.

    You can’t compensate someone who has been executed though.

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      5 months ago

      You can never be 100% certain that a conviction is correct.

      Never say never, there absolutely are cases of terror actions where the psycho is caught alive.

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        5 months ago

        ‘the psycho’

        There’s a detailed mental health assessment if ever I saw one.

        What they did, what their mental state was at the time and what treatment might be possible are very different things. You can never be 100% certain.

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          5 months ago

          You can never be 100% certain.

          Unless you want to drag the meaning of certainty into the absurdity of Last Thursdayism, I’d argue you can. Anders Breivik knew what he was doing, he wasn’t having “an episode”.

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            5 months ago

            Cases have been reviewed decades after the event and found to be defective.

            I only know what the media has shown me about Brevik - and I expect that you know no more.

            From what I have seen and read, it seems clear cut and indefensible of course, but then it so often does - until it doesn’t.

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              His primary goal during the trial was to prove he was medically sane and could stand trial. He spent 5 years preparing for the attack.

              I can understand being opposed to capital punishment by principle, I’m opposed to it myself, but acting like there are no cut and dry cases is just being disingenuous. Some cases you know for certain who did what, and that it wasn’t “just” a manic episode.

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    5 months ago

    But 5 mins on any subreddit and you have people frothing at the mouth to hang every criminal.

    5 minutes on any subreddit and you realise that you’re more than likely speaking to a 14 year old in the US.

    Last time I looked a majority of Brits support the death penalty. Which personally I’ve always found quite disturbing considering all the problems with it

    I would agree this is disturbing but I am not aware of any mass poll on this topic that’s not from a right wing fringe group / newspaper. Do you remember where you saw the claim that the majority of Brits support the death penalty?

    So what do you think?

    No the death penalty should not be reintroduced. I would support tougher sentencing, however. But additionally it should come with multiple programmes to increase social cohesion (youth activities, arts, sports, community outreach, education, quality jobs, etc, etc) such that being a hardened criminal is not a viable or attractive option in the first place. The death penalty as a deterrent to criminal activity did not work when we had it and doesn’t work today either (see the US).