The terms would make something like F-Droid impossible. The fundamental problem is that Apple believes it is owed a fee when people distribute apps for the iPhone, but no legal mechanism entitles them to such a fee; I’m fairly sure it’s possible to make an iPhone app without copying any of Apple’s copyrighted code or using any of their patents.
The only mechanism that allows them to collect one is their technical control over the platform, and that’s what the DMA was intended to remove.
I know this is going to be a hot take especially on the lemmyverse, but that’s not the fundamental problem.
The issue in question is: should a company that provides a product, one whose value proposition is focused on a cohesive ecosystem and experience, be forced to break down their walled garden to let people create a new app store or install apps in a way that’s outside that companies vision for their own product.
My personal opinion is that it’s a dumb fight for apple to take, because 99.9% of their users will never deviate from their app store. But I understand why they are fighting it. I’d fight it too. Huge companies that have made a fortune benefiting from the apple ecosystem have gotten so big they want to take even more and forgot how much value apples environment and user based provides them.
If apple ecosystem is so better then there is no reason to fight over it, people won’t force themselves to download new app store and apps when they are inferior.
But the truth is that iPhone apps made by apple are awesome, the way they works and synchronize with Mac and iCloud, excellent ! but the app store itself is filled with garbage that require very expensive subscription. I was shocked coming from Android to see such low quality and so expensive, and I’m pretty sure apple knows that. So when a new app store offer the same garbage but a little less expensive, and no apple fee, of course people are going to download it.
Funny thing is, the reason I never considered buying an iPhone was because I liked developing small apps and doing this on an iPhone is virtually impossible without paying. And I don’t think I’m alone here, and this problem scales to professionals.
Yeah. But when you run your own business or have multiple responsibility then iphone makes all sense. The way everything just works and works well. Like i used to edit pdf on the fly with my iPhone easily, android i still haven’t figured out what app is great for reading, highlighting and removing or adding pages without requiring subscription or being bloated like Microsoft office or Adobe. And it’s the same shit for everything that apple has already made app for, they re just much better than what you get on android. Not even speaking of open source or small app like you say that are broken after the développer decide to fuck off (i understand why) or is just bad because développer ain’t user interface designer.
I don’t disagree with all you said, but for example my company has developed for our field technicians an app they use when they go to customers. Obviously they chose android over ios. That’s what I meant with impact on businesses. But Apple is making its revenue on b2c so for them it’s probably OK. Always surprised a company that big survives on b2c.
I don’t know if the fancier Samsung phones may have apps like what you mentioned? I’ll take a look. Next time I’m offered a work phone I’ll take an iPhone, I am curious to try one out tbh.
For a business, paying apple fee once a year is like nothing. And I found apple software to manage company phones better than what is available (if there is, beside Samsung).
Even developing, I’m no developer but I also had to make a small app for very simple task on iPhone and Android. Android studio with the java looked like gibberish when am xcode and swift felt much easier to learn.
In France, I have yet to work in a company that gives their employees android instead of dumb phone or iPhone.
I’m fairly sure it’s possible to make an iPhone app without copying any of Apple’s copyrighted code or using any of their patents.
This sounds wrong, but I was never particularly interested in iOS app development, so take that with a grain of salt.
The GNU GPL prohibits non-GPL software from even dynamically linking to GPL libraries. Assuming that enforcing such a condition is acceptable under relevant copyright law, and that you can’t make an iOS app without linking to any Apple libraries, Apple does have a legal mechanism to enforce this.
French developers may get a pass, with VLC and all.
The terms would make something like F-Droid impossible. The fundamental problem is that Apple believes it is owed a fee when people distribute apps for the iPhone, but no legal mechanism entitles them to such a fee; I’m fairly sure it’s possible to make an iPhone app without copying any of Apple’s copyrighted code or using any of their patents.
The only mechanism that allows them to collect one is their technical control over the platform, and that’s what the DMA was intended to remove.
I know this is going to be a hot take especially on the lemmyverse, but that’s not the fundamental problem.
The issue in question is: should a company that provides a product, one whose value proposition is focused on a cohesive ecosystem and experience, be forced to break down their walled garden to let people create a new app store or install apps in a way that’s outside that companies vision for their own product.
My personal opinion is that it’s a dumb fight for apple to take, because 99.9% of their users will never deviate from their app store. But I understand why they are fighting it. I’d fight it too. Huge companies that have made a fortune benefiting from the apple ecosystem have gotten so big they want to take even more and forgot how much value apples environment and user based provides them.
If apple ecosystem is so better then there is no reason to fight over it, people won’t force themselves to download new app store and apps when they are inferior.
But the truth is that iPhone apps made by apple are awesome, the way they works and synchronize with Mac and iCloud, excellent ! but the app store itself is filled with garbage that require very expensive subscription. I was shocked coming from Android to see such low quality and so expensive, and I’m pretty sure apple knows that. So when a new app store offer the same garbage but a little less expensive, and no apple fee, of course people are going to download it.
Funny thing is, the reason I never considered buying an iPhone was because I liked developing small apps and doing this on an iPhone is virtually impossible without paying. And I don’t think I’m alone here, and this problem scales to professionals.
Yeah. But when you run your own business or have multiple responsibility then iphone makes all sense. The way everything just works and works well. Like i used to edit pdf on the fly with my iPhone easily, android i still haven’t figured out what app is great for reading, highlighting and removing or adding pages without requiring subscription or being bloated like Microsoft office or Adobe. And it’s the same shit for everything that apple has already made app for, they re just much better than what you get on android. Not even speaking of open source or small app like you say that are broken after the développer decide to fuck off (i understand why) or is just bad because développer ain’t user interface designer.
I don’t disagree with all you said, but for example my company has developed for our field technicians an app they use when they go to customers. Obviously they chose android over ios. That’s what I meant with impact on businesses. But Apple is making its revenue on b2c so for them it’s probably OK. Always surprised a company that big survives on b2c.
I don’t know if the fancier Samsung phones may have apps like what you mentioned? I’ll take a look. Next time I’m offered a work phone I’ll take an iPhone, I am curious to try one out tbh.
For a business, paying apple fee once a year is like nothing. And I found apple software to manage company phones better than what is available (if there is, beside Samsung). Even developing, I’m no developer but I also had to make a small app for very simple task on iPhone and Android. Android studio with the java looked like gibberish when am xcode and swift felt much easier to learn.
In France, I have yet to work in a company that gives their employees android instead of dumb phone or iPhone.
It’s not about the fee itself, it’s about finding a developer. And when it’s easier to tinker with a technology rather than another one…
Didn’t have a work phone at my last job in France, but in Germany I’ve seen a few companies offer between Samsung and Apple
This sounds wrong, but I was never particularly interested in iOS app development, so take that with a grain of salt.
The GNU GPL prohibits non-GPL software from even dynamically linking to GPL libraries. Assuming that enforcing such a condition is acceptable under relevant copyright law, and that you can’t make an iOS app without linking to any Apple libraries, Apple does have a legal mechanism to enforce this.
French developers may get a pass, with VLC and all.
The GPL has an exception for “system libraries” on this regard, but it’s as handwavy as the rest of the license.
The GPL isn’t meant to be a real license, it’s supposed to be a toxic waste bucket that companies don’t want to interact with. This it succeeds at.