Frozen embryos are “children,” according to Alabama’s Supreme Court::IVF often produces more embryos than are needed or used.
My wife and I had our son via IVF. We wanted every single one of our fertilized eggs to work, but they didn’t. We had one that did and we suffered every time one didn’t.
Fuck Alabama for adding on to the torment and emotional suffering families going through IVF and any kind of infertility suffer already. It’s just adding unspeakable cruelty again.
I’ve seen my sister going through this process for years. It’s emotionally challenging, financially challenging, and risky to her health. She’s had two ectopic pregnancies and had to be operated on twice. If she manages to have one baby she’ll be happy, and there’s no way it would make sense to implant all the other embryos given the health risk to her. So what would Alabama have her do?
I’m glad she doesn’t live there.
Alabama would have probably let her die with one of the ectopic pregnancies tbh.
I have heard someone say in all seriousness that it’s still murder to abort an ectopic pregnancy (which would just kill the mom and ‘child’ if allowed to continue)…
I heard this somewhere: “You’re in an IVF clinic. It’s on fire and you enter a burning room. On a table is a large cooler with 5 thousand fertilized eggs, and there’s also a crying, injured five-year-old girl in the room. Which one do you save? You can only save one.” The answer for most people is obviously the 5 year old and it’s not a hard choice.
In a concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker cited his religious beliefs and quoted the Bible to support the stance.
“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God, who views the destruction of His image as an affront to Himself,” Parker wrote. “Even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”
wtf
Does Alabama not do the whole “separation of church and state” thing? Lol
The USA has never done seperation of church and state.
If we did, half the govt would be arrested for extremism and most churches would be terrorist organizations.
Ironic that he quoted the Bible since the Bible is okay with abortion.
The Bible doesn’t really say anything about abortion. The most convincing thing I’ve seen is that it values the life of a mother over that a fetus, but it doesn’t say abortion is okay. Unless I’m missing something.
Not that it matters what this book says, I just don’t think it helps at all to misrepresent it.
It literally gives you a recipe for one
At least the other poster offered up what is effectively a completely made up verse.
“effectively made up verse” LOL
Ah ok, so are you the arbiter of which stories in the Bible are literal, and which aren’t? Because that story seemed very fucking literal.
Anyway, this can’t be the first time you’ve encountered a contradiction in the text of your holy book (assuming you’ve even read it), so I’m sure you’ve already got some pretty effective ways of ignoring the cognitive dissonance inherent in your worldview… So go ahead and have fun with that I guess.
this can’t be the first time you’ve encountered a contradiction in the text of your holy book
lol. I’m not a Christian. You’re just exposing your lack of critical thinking by thinking that, because I don’t agree with you, I must be the exact opposite. My child, the world is not black and white.
You’re projecting your struggle with cognitive dissonance onto me, make no mistake about it.
Why the fuck should we ever have to ask a judge this? Hey judge why don’t you tell us how we cure cancer? Judge, judge, what is dark matter? Please, you are the ultimate authority on all things!
It’s stupid but the article says why:
In the Alabama case, a hospital patient wandered through an unlocked door, removed frozen, preserved embryos from subzero storage and, suffering an ice burn, dropped the embryos, destroying them. Affected IVF patients filed wrongful-death lawsuits against the IVF clinic under the state’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act. The case was initially dismissed in a lower court, which ruled the embryos did not meet the definition of a child. But the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that “it applies to all children, born and unborn, without limitation.” In a concurring opinion, Chief Justice Tom Parker cited his religious beliefs and quoted the Bible to support the stance.
I know why the courts would ask but in general this is something a single judge has no authority on. The idea that a single person gets to define what “life” is absurdity. We have army’s of scholars following strict rules of logic, ethics, and are backed by science. Their consensus is more compatible with human society than some dusty book.
Absurdity indeed!
So… all acorns are trees.
Does this mean cops are gonna start shooting trees now?
Oh god. I know people that do this already and call it “target practice”.
Shoot at dead items ffs
Every woman with a frozen embryo.
Get those child tax credits.
Don’t have frozen embryos? Freeze some
Get those child tax credits
Then they should count as dependents, grant the parents tax breaks, be eligible for social benefits, receive child support payments, be counted as passengers when in mom driving in HOV lanes, etc.
Holy shit storing embryos frozen and counting them as dependants would be an actual life hack
Pretty sure that’s expensive as hell
So are actual children.
That’s why I freeze dried mine and keep them in the glove compartment for use in the HOV lane.
I love how the chief justice cites his god as his legal argument. What a sham. The god of the Bible has, thus far, failed to prove its legitimacy in any context, especially regarding a secular legal system.
Nevermind forcing his god onto the rest of the population. If these yoyos get far enough, they’ll start sending non believers to “reeducation camps.”
I would think his reference to god would be a sufficient argument to nullify his decision? As you said the US justice system is secular.
Secular in theory, but lots of key elements have been taken over by religious nutjobs, so in practice it often isn’t.
