• MamboGator@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I hate that “superhero fatigue” has become the accepted reason why recent movies have done poorly. It passes the blame from the studio to the audience.

    People aren’t sick of an entire genre of films. They’re sick of bloated budgets producing CGI-heavy movies that get butchered in post production because the studio needs to meddle with everything to make sure the ridiculous amount of money they didn’t need to spend in the first place is as safe of an investment as possible.

    Look at Iron Man 1. It had a modest budget, reasonable effects and told a concise story. People would watch another movie like that again. We don’t need world-threatening plots that can only be presented by an overworked and underpayed effects studio.

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      10 months ago

      And people seriously underestimate the simplest reason: poor execution. Phase 4 just had so many movies that weren’t good. The writing was bad, a couple characters or moments would be what you expect, but the overall product was just shoddy.

      I think you could say that about almost every single Please 4 movie except Guardians 3. There was just a massive drop in quality.

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        10 months ago

        Guardians is technically Phase 5.

        Shang-Chi, Spider-Man NWH, and Doctor Strange MoM were all great and Phase 4. Unfortunately Black Widow, Eternals, and Thor L&T were also Phase 4 and are some of the lowest rated movies in the MCU.

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          10 months ago

          Oh right, I was mixing up Spider-Man FFH & NWH.

          Shang-Chi was the kind of quality I expect from MCU.

          But I’ll be honest, even MoM disappointed me. It felt like they just abandoned all of the character development poured into Wanda because “heh heh cool Sam Raimi movie” and the America plot was kind of tacked on.

          Black Widow, Eternals, Thor L&T, The Marvels all had the potential to be great. It’s like they just gave up on scripts and that notorious centralized quality assurance. Which I know is something a lot of people hated on them for, but I think the difference is obvious. Their centralized production over Phase 3 projects worked.

          (We don’t talk about Quantumania. That one was unsalvageable.)

          I hope they get back to the old way of doing things as Phase 5 progresses.

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            10 months ago

            Shang-Chi is one of my favourite MCU movies, and I actually kind of liked Black Widow. Multiverse of Madness was a good Sam Raimi movie but not a very good MCU movie.

            Love and Thunder is probably my least favourite. It made me hope Taiki Waititi never gets his hands on another franchise I love even though he has done some good things in the past. Ragnarok was good but already leaning way too much into comedy. I’d hate to see what he would do to Star Wars.

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        10 months ago

        Also, not everything needs to be a tracking shot. With bullet time.

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            10 months ago

            Complaining. All that stuff has its place but when it’s overused it just kind of takes me out of the moment, it doesn’t add to it.

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              10 months ago

              Sorry it was just a joke, you broke the sentence in two in a way that makes “With bullet time” sound like an advertisement.

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      10 months ago

      Totally agree. The phrase “superhero fatigue” has been thrown around since age of Ultron.

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        10 months ago

        It was being thrown around before Iron Man came out.

        A while back someone posted an article from 2007 using the phrase, talking about the “upcoming Iron Man movie”

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      10 months ago

      No I’m sick of the entire genre. Ubermensch above-the-law protagonists who are inherently better than normal people are the worst.

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        10 months ago

        Sounds like you were never interested to begin with, since you’re so morally opposed to the entire concept of superheroes. “Superhero fatigue” is referring to people who were fans becoming disinterested due to overexposure. You were never a factor in that equation.

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        10 months ago

        You’re sick of action sci-fi? Because that’s the actual genre. “Super hero” is just an aesthetic coat of paint.

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          It’s not really sci-fi. Traditionally sci-fi has explored very philosophical or existential concepts, it’s not just about the gadgets. The technology is a lens through which to view newly possible conflicts. If the superhero aspect is a coat of paint, the sci-fi aspect definitely is. IMO they do have some relevant aspects of the superhero genre, but yes most of them are mostly action.