So I’m in the military, and my unit is particularly pleasant to be at, enough that if there are other military people on here, they might get upset by what I’m about to say.
We have peer group meetings with the Commanding Officer of the base, meaning each paygrade meets with the CO without the people above or below them to hear, and discuss issues. As you can imagine, those in the lower paygrades tend to be significantly younger, and when it got to my paygrade, we were all, almost without exception, millenials.
To give a background, in the military we get 30 days of leave per year (basically vacation), unlimited sick days, maternity and paternity leave (I believe it’s at 2 months for Paternity, which is pretty generous by US standards). Additionally, at my unit, we get a four day weekend for every federal holiday, have various “morale days” through the year for fishing derbies, group hikes, etc, and a 6.5 hour work day (cue all military going WTF?!).
At the lower paygrade peer group, a few of them were apparently asking for “more control” over their time off, and being able to take ask for days off with no notice because the weather was going to be good (for hunting, for example). When the CO brought the stuff they were saying up to us, the older, supervisor, millenials, we were facepalming and talking about the fucking Zoomers. But then something amazing happened:
The CO said he could see their point, and maybe we take some of those four day weekends and instead give a few “Liberty Bucks” at the beginning of the year to each person, that can be turned in to get a particular day in the immediate future off (like getting the next day off to go hunting). That actually worked really well for us, because it made those long weekends easier to schedule, and spread out the days people would be out.
And I realized we Millenials were just so happy to have what we had, we couldn’t fathom asking for something better… but they could, they did, and got it.
Fucking Zoomers indeed. Keep pushing, y’all.
The audacity of Zoomers will save the future.
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My personal theory on why old people become miserable conservative pricks is that we’re born into this world knowing absolutely nothing, and spend every moment of our lives trying to figure out what in the fuck is going on. Over time, you start to figure some of it out. Then, when you’ve finally started to get a hold of some shit, and finally start to get into a rhythm of what you’re supposed to do, the next generations come in and start changing shit.
People aren’t against things being better. But they are against not knowing what the fuck they’re supposed to do in life. The problem is the overlap. Changing something for the better means people that spent their whole life doing it one way are now in a state of chaos and uncertainty, which is followed by fear.
So you slowly become conservative, and resist all change.
May we all be so fortunate as to have a hand in creating a world in which we are executed as reactionaries
Honestly if the zoomers get to a point where they’re actively organizing and getting shit done, I’m happy. It’s more than millennials were ever able to do
Not so sure… used to think the kids are alright, but have been seeing some disturbing trends from the tankies, who are just fascists that like red flags and yellow stars.
They know things aren’t fair and know there’s problems but are prone to the same fascist tricks the MAGAs fell for.
Hopefully they can pass beyond of this phase, things can go the wrong direction when people organize with violent intentions.
I’m not too worried. Tankies are prominent here, on the fediverse, but despite the mewling of cretins like GenZedong, are not particularly powerful in the latest gen.
Says the guy encouraging fucking political executions.
I’ve seen a lot of tankie zoomers, but the generation on the whole seems pretty woke to the difference socialism and authoritarianism
Seeing a lot of “from the river to the sea” from zoomers who don’t realize it’s at best a blood and soil kind of thing that an authoritarian regime is promoting, and at worst a call for ethnic cleansing.
Zoomers aren’t magical unicorns that are immune to manipulation from fascists when they’re facing economic hardship. We know that social media has a tendency to push people in that direction.
They are ripe to be manipulated into an antisemitic fascist movement that simply puts “socialist” in the name of their party. Sound familiar?
We don’t know this will happen, but lets just say that it’s possible that zoomers organizing under the direction of social media narratives could have some very bad results.
We tried 🤷
Not hard enough
Ah yes, let’s all start a generation war. How appropriate. This helps all the young people! Oh, wait… Does it?
Every generation has gone through a protesting and getting shit done phase. And before you say it:yeah boomers went through a phase too. Only they were doing things like literally killing themselves/setting themselves on fire to stop wars and regimes. Those protests are where the beatles songs came from. You can only imagine what kind of life they were protesting cuz each generation has created a step up from where the last generation got to. The generation before theirs was fighting for women to be seen as humans and not just property. Many steps for getting to this point had to be taken just so the fight doesn’t have to be about that. But about something else to improve.
It’s like painting a picture and cleaning up the mistakes. Each generation is like a pass cleaning a part of the picture and then you see the next thing to fix.
Bravo for the current generation but Just bestowing the crown for the current generation is just looking at improvement in relativity. It is not absolute.
You know which brand of “leftists” like pull this kind of shit right? Yep, red fash, fucking Tankies. I’d be fucking worried if zoomers are actually acting like this.
If they’re red fash I’ll be worried, but if they’re just going Reign of Terror or Paris Commune or Anarchist Catalonia, I’ll accept my execution with good grace.
The reign of terror french were pretty proto-red-fash tbch, people don’t exactly consider very often WHY it was where the fiercest resistance to this lang d’oil region centered uprising was concentrated in regions like the basque country, bretton country, and the lang d’oc regions. It wasn’t that they yearned for royalist ideals to be reinstated, it was because Robespierre and his even crazier backers were so paranoid by the end that something like movements for language rights were treated as exactly as traitorous as plotting to restore the bourbons to the throne with a counter purge to boot.
Something the modern revolution idealizing french seem to have made fully into one of their “the quiet part” policies with how they implement their version of laïcité.
It wasn’t that they yearned for royalist ideals to be reinstated,
It literally was, though. The language conflict you’re describing didn’t hit full swing until the Third Republic. The revolt in the Vendee was largely a reactionary movement by peasantry who were miffed at the idea of the bourgeois taking the place of the traditional aristocracy and clergy. The Vendee itself spoke lang d’oil and is, in fact, one of the original regions of lang d’oil.
Bullshit it didn’t hit full swing until the third republic the third republic was just when it also picked up the dynamic of the religious and language rights of immigrant communities because of all the colonialism the third republic was doing in Africa and the ME
Immigrant communities btw who were the actual resistance backbone in WWII, and who go unrecognized because the french right were collaborators who wanted their stories stamped out to preserve french nationalist narratives, and the french left were the backstabbing stalinists who sold them out to the Nazis before liberation came so that they’d get to take credit for all the heavy lifting post war and wanted to cover up their own complicity.
Never trust a “leftist” who thinks state sponsored murder is a good idea. They have no interest in anything except to be the executioner, and to feel nice and self righteous when they pull the trigger.
Okay, Tankie.
“ I don’t mind being executed as long as the government that ends my life is weak, ineffective, predisposed to being taken over by a dictator, and will surely fail within 2 years of its inception.”
I dont think I could make a more L take if I tried.
Yes, Revolutionary France very ineffective, First Coalition won that war, right? Or the Royalists in the Vendee?
Which Revolutionary France? The one conquered by Napoleon, or the one conquered by Napoleon III. Just because a revolution kills a bunch of people and then gets conquered by a dictator does not classify it as a success.
Man tankie is this place’s favorite meaningless insult. Y’all use it where it doesn’t even make fuckin’ sense.
Tankies we’re the type to drag “intellectuals” out to cane them, simply for holding a position at a university.
Tankies we’re the type in Cambodia to literally kill those wearing glasses.
Referring to people who’d execute “counterrevolutionaries”?
Mao rehabilitated the last Qing emperor, there’s literally no excuse to be ordering state sanctioned murder against anyone else.
I’m not debating the morality of it but in your previous example it was used improperly, as it often is on Lemmy. That was my only point.
Not my example, but it’s still literally objectively correct, the only kind of leftist who yearns to send the opposition to the wall is a tankie.
Anyone who doesn’t have their head up their ass realized trusting the state with the precedent of being able to kill people for any reason at all is the biggest idiot’s bargain save maybe for signing a contract with Donald Trump expecting him to actually pay for something.
Tankie refers to Stalinism, you’re watering down the term to be against any form of violent revolution, which would put EZLN in tankie territory by your own terms despite their being Libertarian Socialists.
I get what you’re trying to do, but I think I’m in agreement, you’re using tankie where it doesn’t belong.
Bruh, if the EZLN is for murder under the color of rooting out counterrevolutionaries then yes they too are tankies, it’s not about the stated ideology, it’s about the authoritarianism they get up to regardless.
Lenin proclaimed an ideology that called for basically syndicalism, still used the cheka to kill all the syndicalists for being counter revolutionary.
It wouldn’t have mattered who was running moscow, what mattered was their supporters demanding they send the tanks in to kill the “counterrevolutionaries” in Hungary.
They fight and kill people who attack them, they are revolutionaries, but violent ones.
I understand what you’re saying, but you’re conflating violence with Authoritarianism, and therefore violence with both tankies and authoritarianism. It’s not really accurate and goes beyond the scope of stalinism.
Yup. Pay attention, Gen-z. This is what propaganda looks like. If you’re too busy fighting for “left” or “right”, then you’re already gone.
The left is correct, though.
No, left is objectively correct. Just not violently murderous
Yay murdering people over ideology, this has never been a bad thing!
guys the joke is that the leftists start to act on similar ways that right winged folk did
What the fuck?
