Agreed. That’s my hope too. Crush Republicans in November so they’re no longer a player, and then have a moderate party and a progressive party.
We’ll all get together on weekends to laugh at the tiny, impotent fascist party that remains, just to remind ourselves they’re the enemy that needs to be kept in check. No German antics where moderates and progressives play off the fascists to get one over the other.
Is that really plausible? My understanding of the politics over there is that the two camps are so insanely deeply rooted that the mere thought of joining a split part from “the other side” would be unthinkable. Especially when we are talking about loving from the republican side. At least that’s what my limited view here from Norway says.
It won’t be plausible until it is. I expect it would happen fast. If support for Trumpism shrinks just a little, say by a few percentage points, suddenly they start losing a LOT more elections. Some people get tired of being losers and either stop voting, or start getting involved in Democratic primaries. As support dwindles further, people lose the social group of Republicanism, making it less and less attractive.
Interestingly, Trumpism started with Russian help by doing the opposite. They provided a social seed on r/the_donald and social media in general that allowed people to feel like part of a fun group. I believe the initial group was largely Russian, and they attracted grassroots support through memes and vigilant and quick banning of anyone expressing a contrary opinion. It took less than a year for Trump to go from being a joke candidate to being the Republican nominee.
I think it can fall, and it can fall fast. The last realignment of that caliber in the US was the Southern strategy in the 1960s and 1970s. And the stage is set. Most professional Republicans hate Trumpism, but go along with it in order to keep their jobs. The infighting can potentially make most of the party unelectable, and they know that. It’s part of why they’re lining up to kiss the ring. They have to get on board or the Democrats might run the next 20 years of American politics (which has also happened before, long, long ago.)
You’d have to be more of a history buff than I am to really know how plausible it is, but I’d advise ignoring the last 50 years and looking back more at historical political realignments for comparison.
I think the bigger problem though is the voting system we have here in the US. If one party split into two, it would basically guarantee wins for the other party.
I hope the Republicans are laughed out of relevance and the Dems split into two sane parties.
Same end result.
I’d love to vote based on how socialist I think we could be instead of voting based on how tyrannical I think we should be.
Agreed. That’s my hope too. Crush Republicans in November so they’re no longer a player, and then have a moderate party and a progressive party.
We’ll all get together on weekends to laugh at the tiny, impotent fascist party that remains, just to remind ourselves they’re the enemy that needs to be kept in check. No German antics where moderates and progressives play off the fascists to get one over the other.
Is that really plausible? My understanding of the politics over there is that the two camps are so insanely deeply rooted that the mere thought of joining a split part from “the other side” would be unthinkable. Especially when we are talking about loving from the republican side. At least that’s what my limited view here from Norway says.
It won’t be plausible until it is. I expect it would happen fast. If support for Trumpism shrinks just a little, say by a few percentage points, suddenly they start losing a LOT more elections. Some people get tired of being losers and either stop voting, or start getting involved in Democratic primaries. As support dwindles further, people lose the social group of Republicanism, making it less and less attractive.
Interestingly, Trumpism started with Russian help by doing the opposite. They provided a social seed on r/the_donald and social media in general that allowed people to feel like part of a fun group. I believe the initial group was largely Russian, and they attracted grassroots support through memes and vigilant and quick banning of anyone expressing a contrary opinion. It took less than a year for Trump to go from being a joke candidate to being the Republican nominee.
I think it can fall, and it can fall fast. The last realignment of that caliber in the US was the Southern strategy in the 1960s and 1970s. And the stage is set. Most professional Republicans hate Trumpism, but go along with it in order to keep their jobs. The infighting can potentially make most of the party unelectable, and they know that. It’s part of why they’re lining up to kiss the ring. They have to get on board or the Democrats might run the next 20 years of American politics (which has also happened before, long, long ago.)
You’d have to be more of a history buff than I am to really know how plausible it is, but I’d advise ignoring the last 50 years and looking back more at historical political realignments for comparison.
As a wise man once said:
See, when it starts to fall apart
Man, it really falls apart
Like boots or hearts, oh, when they start
They really fall apart
RIP to that legend.
Thank you for the insight!
Yeah, republicans are good at falling in line.
I think the bigger problem though is the voting system we have here in the US. If one party split into two, it would basically guarantee wins for the other party.