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    7 months ago

    It’s not that we’re not making profit, it’s that we’re not making ENOUGH profit.

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        This. I’ll be the last one to defend any of these megacorps but folks calling it greed are being reductive. These are publicly traded companies which means their loyalty is to their shareholders and their #1 goal is to make them more money than they made them last quarter. So it’s more than greed, it’s their job within this capitalist system. They have to do that every quarter for as long as they exist. The only ways to do it are to increase revenue or decrease costs. If they can’t make enough money they have to fire people. That’s the world we’ve built.

        But it’s not only about making more profit than last quarter, but also the amount the profits increased by has to be higher than the amount they increased by the quarter before last. That’s how you end up with companies seeing record profits and still laying people off. They made more than last quarter, but only 2% more. The quarter before they made 3% more so now people have to go. It’s insane.

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    pure corporate greed.

    i think its the stock market. it creates this false reality where things need to keep climbing.

    if you have a company where everyone gets paid, and the customer is very satisfied and you have no profit you are somehow a complete failure. because we all just cant be.

    the stock market is humanities downfall… human greed distilled, authorized and removed from all responsibility.

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    There’s some off-base comments here that ignore why the industry is being hit particularly hard. Note that when it comes to companies like Microsoft, you’re right it’s pure greed. They don’t need to shed those jobs, but that will make shareholders money, so bye-bye livelihood. Fuck Microsoft in particular on this round of layoffs, money for a 65 billion purchase but nothing else, pricks.

    But for most of the job losses, it really comes down to high interest rates. High interest rates disincentivizes investing. And the past decade or so has been highly investment based.

    A lot of the traditional big publishers like EA and Activision went entirely in-house, so any studio outside of those big ones needed to find funding somewhere. They turned to investment companies.

    This works whilst investing is cheap, but when it’s hard to come by, suddenly you have to make payroll and can’t. This is why Embracer has failed, for example.

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      7 months ago

      Why were people laid off by Microsoft? Were they redundant after the acquisition? Were they part of departments that were cut? Like 90% of acquisitions lead to layoffs.

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        Very true, and Microsoft in particular could have just shouldered the cost of those employees and likely found more work for a lot of them. Some of what I’ve heard from Jeff Grubb in the past week or two is that ABK expanded by 3000 employees in the past two years while interest rates were cheap, so it was unlikely they did so sustainably; and hundreds of those who were laid off were basically the entirety of Microsoft’s physical distribution department, which we’ll probably hear in this upcoming business update no longer exists for Xbox going forward.

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    Plenty of profit to go around. The issue is shareholders expect infinite growth, which is impossible.

    Capitalism (when it works best) basically requires occasional market crashes that can “reset” the wealth distribution. But for obvious reasons, nobody wants that.

    So every year, shareholders get richer and expect bigger growth next year, but eventually the profits will plateau. And one can only guess what happens then.

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      When the profits plateau, you look for the next thing the market wants. Sometimes those bets are right, and sometimes they’re wrong. In the meantime, people were paid salaries out of investors’ pockets while they worked on providing the next potential answer. That’s what happened here.

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    I had a shower thought this morning:

    At a certain point in capitalism, a wealthy person can get enough money to live comfortably the rest of your life. If you decide to continue to grow your wealth from there, you’re essentially not just making money for yourself, but so others can’t have it.

    I have a feeling that number is well below a billion, but I’m no economist.

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      There was a study from 2010 that said that the happiness already plateaus somewhere around 75k annually. But more recent studies suggest that for some people, more money means more happiness well beyond that, and for some it doesn’t. Basically, if you’re generall an unhappy person, money doesn’t help much. https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/does-more-money-correlate-greater-happiness-Penn-Princeton-research

      But I agree that owning more than 1 billion (or even 100 million) is just useless hoarding, since no one can spend that much money in a lifetime (at least without decadent spending for spending’s sake).

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        7 months ago

        But you miss that having the money isn’t necessarily the point they have power and control over resources people and machines as well as influence in government

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            Unless you already have a tendency towards psychopathic behaviors, the they probably

            (not a psychologist)

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              Also not a psychologist, but attended a four hour lecture on psychopaths recently (out of interest). I don’t think happiness as a concept exists for actual psychopaths, because they don’t really feel emotions the same way.

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      Nearly all social animals would be punished in some way for hoarding resources from the group. Between loss of social status all the way to being killed. Our closest relatives like apes straight up murder individuals that do this.

      It’s a mental illness. We’ll probably find out it was caused by lead or micro plastics if our species survives this time.

      For now. I believe the correct call to action involves guillotines. We can dial it back if things get better.

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      It’s called hoarding and it’s an unhealthy habit so why isn’t anybody doing anything? Because if you give them enough of that money they won’t complain.

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        if they have to do that to enough people we would have inequality solved

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      If you decide to continue to grow your wealth from there, you’re essentially not just making money for yourself, but so others can’t have it.

      This is a zero-sum fallacy. The size of the economy isn’t fixed. It continues to grow each year. The hyper productive people you’re referring to are disproportionately responsible for that growth, and they are disproportionately the recipients of that growth. My father was one of those people. Working 18 hours every day for 30 years. It led to a divorce and our family falling apart, but fuck did he generate a lot of economic value for the world, his company, and himself. He didn’t steal it from you. He created it.

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        While true, the growth of the economy has been wildly outpaced by the rate of hoarding at the top. After all that extra work, how much better off was your dad after everyone above him benefitted?

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    7 months ago

    The line went up but not as high as expected so now Riot games owner of the most popular videogame League of Legends need to fire 500 people.

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    Industry figures indicate employment in IT is still above pre-covid levels. Companies over-hired and are normalising. We’re not seeing this labour activity in most other sectors. There’s no reason to panic.

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      That’s one way to look at it, if you’re looking to downplay the human impact. The way I look at is these companies had a short sighted hiring spree and now thousands of people are without income and can’t just get a new job as the industry is laying off everywhere. That seems like a reasonable source of panic for the people with no income and not a lot of prospects.