• darthsid@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I don’t mind wokeness if the story is good, but to crash a story to champion wokeness is unacceptable to me.

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      9 months ago

      Lmao first interracial kiss, champion of non-binary, trans, and gay people for the super obvious if you used two or more brain cells when watching metaphor characters sprinkled all over the seasons.

      Sure, go ahead and say this hasn’t always been star trek.

      This is like people who think Starship Trooper is a Gung-go military action thriller… I’d ask if you’d like to know more, but if you did, you wouldn’t be this dumb.

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        9 months ago

        I’d argue that if your sci-fi isn’t pushing boundaries with that sorta stuff, it’s not doing its job.

        PS: Buenos Aires was an inside job

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          THANK YOU!

          My dad is definitely the type to think Starship Trooper was a cool pro-military movie, but surprisingly he gets that it’s satire and mocking his former job.

          However, he still upholds that the BUGS somehow managed to launch an attack against earth, somehow either aiming at a populated area or getting EXTREMELY lucky, from ACROSS THE GALAXY

          Nah it was 100% an inside job.

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          I mean, zero issues with anyone creating any show to express any narratives. But sci Fi doesn’t NEED to address social issues to be interesting. It doesn’t need to be allegorical or anything else to do it’s job.

          That said much of the best sci Fi certainly does.

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        … We are talking about the TV show with an episode where they show it’s wrong for aliens with black and white skin to discriminate against the same aliens with white and black skin, right? Just making sure we and the “the story is bad because wokeness is at the forefront” comment are on the same page.

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        Paul Verhoeven is great at satire that goes over people’s heads. Same with Robocop, which is a hyper violent satire on American police militarization, privatization, corporate corruption and a complete lack of government oversight.

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          It drives me up the wall how easily people just ignore Verhoevens satire. The ST:E discord is filled with people who think it’s an advertisement for fascism. Or those other people that think Heinlein had a great political philosophy.

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            I saw Starship Troopers shortly after it came out. Other than knowing his name and that he was a well known sci-fi author, I wasn’t familiar with Heinlein so I assumed he was a satirist. I picked up one of his other books and read half of it thinking I just wasn’t getting it before I suddenly realized “oh shit, this guy is being sincere.”

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      9 months ago

      Please provide an example of when this has happened so we can notify the appropriate parties and get them to ease up for you.

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      Nobody is doing that. Literally nobody is writing those scripts, you just view them as “woke” because suddenly the hero isn’t male, or white. Pretend die hard doesn’t exist, If you were to write die hard exactly as it’s on the script but McClain is a woman, is that woke?

      Why is it that when a woman or person of color gets even close to a leading role, suddenly it’s called “woke”

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        “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression” and gets labeled “woke.”