The planet could see 2 degrees Celsius of warming by the end of the decade.
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“Karashta, you don’t want kids? You’d make a great dad.”
I’ve been asked this several times by close friends since my early 20s. My response has always been about what I feel is the irresponsibility of bringing a child I will desperately love into a world that I’ve seen crumbling around me since my teens.
People called me stupid for believing in things like the oncoming ecological and societal collapses, despite me trying to show them what I’d seen and read.
Somehow, “I told you so,” doesn’t, in any way, make me feel better about the situation.
If you still think you’d make a great dad, there’s lots of kids that already need one.
My mom is desperate for grandchildren and she is so upset that our branch of the family will end with me. I’m not ever having a child or adopting. Shit is way too fucked for that and is only getting worse. I’m 26, and I fully expect to see society as we know it collapse within my lifetime. My hope is that humanity falling due to its own hubris will allow the planet to finally heal.
Most of the apocalyptic things people imagine are not supported by science at this point, and those that are possible can still be averted. But I also think that our children will find a way to adapt despite our problems. Will it be easy? No, but life is not easy even without the climate going haywire, and we find a way to live anyway. Our descendants will do the same.
Congratulations. You just described the bystander effect. I’m excited to stand with the crowd waiting for someone else to do something as we all die.
This is completely unrelated to anything I said. I have personally dedicated my life to working to solve this and other environmental issues so calling me a bystander is hilariously wrong. In fact, doomerism is a big reason many people don’t act which is what I’m arguing against. Feeling some optimism the future will help you take real action in your community instead of doom-scrolling. And as I said there is no scientific basis to believe that climate change will kill all of us.
Life finds a way is one of the top ten anti climate change propaganda myths. Life doesn’t always find a way. Sometimes life gets blasted in the face and goes through a mass extinction event. Saying you think our kids will find a way to adapt is taking the passive bystander approach.
No it isn’t. That’s a nonsensical statement that is at odds with both human nature and climate science. People need to believe that there is hope or they will not act.
So far, there are always survivors of the mass extinctions. No indication that this one will be different.
I’m sure that’ll be very comforting for the 99% of humans that die in that case.
You know how we adapt? By changing now.
For sure dude. I don’t know why you think I’m saying otherwise.
There’s been a documented decline of about 70% in animal populations, the amount of weather and climate related destruction has demonstrably increased, there’s traces of plastic and forever chemicals almost literally all over, Australia was on fire for half a year, wildfires are increasing in frequency in the western US, hurricanes are coming with increasing frequency and intensity from the gulf up the Atlantic.
There’s also the fires that tore across Greece, the tornadoes forming in states in the US that have seemingly never had them before, the massive loss of ice from Arctic and Antarctic areas of the world.
This is just a small smattering of the things I remember from recently.
I’m not saying that next year everything is going to immediately collapse. But I can see the stability of the ecosphere dissolving in front of me and there are quite a few nations that seem like they are leaning towards collapse if history is any judge of things.
And yet people continue to live their lives and create joy and meaning despite these problems. You underestimate the resilience of humanity.
Most governments and economic systems are harmful and have created these problems in the first place, so their collapse could be an important part of solving these problems and creating something new and better.
Honestly I’m over how fucked we are at this point.
Will it be hell? Yeah. But every 0.1 degrees we prevent will help. We can’t stop fighting because we are not the only people suffering. There are way way way more people that are terrified and are fighting really damn hard. We should never abandon those people. Then we are just bending over to the big polluting corporations. Every 0.1 degrees can save so many damn lives. Humanity WILL survive. Most of is in the west will. Giving up and letting the people in the worst parts of the world rot and burn is not something we should do.
Sorry but i really fucking hate the doomer comments here about giving up.
Our sole, shared environment is COMMUNal.
Market Capitalism requires infinite growth/metastasis on a finite world of finite resources. Its very nature is as impossible as one pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
IF humanity cared about its own future, it doesn’t btw, we’d be focused on shrinking humanity’s footprint significantly over the next few generations to find homeostasis/equilibrium with this world, the only world we will ever encounter as a species that is naturally hospitable to us.
But that’s a non starter. Not only will we not do that, but we will refuse to so much as temper our reckless growth/metastasis, even in the face of oblivion.
It’s darkly hilarious how many unwashed peasants, losers of this rigged global economy, still RAGE against the concept of an economy that focuses on having everyone’s basic needs met sustainably, because there would be no room for the super yachts and private jets they would never be allowed aboard anyway under such an economy.
We’re literally gambling with our own extinction, and losing, in the name of “but someday I might be rich. And then people like me better watch their step!” It’s the height of pathetic.
I largely agree with you but I also think advocates of radical change like this need to create a working model of what this actually looks like and implement it somewhere before people will trust that these ideas can help them. Obviously this is very difficult within the context of modern society but I don’t think it’s surprising that most people are wary of radical political and economic change.
I don’t think people are as worried about one day being rich as they are about utopian charlatans wrecking the economy and dropping them into poverty. There is a lot of propaganda that works to heighten this fear as well.
🤔 We all could put money together and go start some intentional communities out in Oregon or something.
Hell, we can look at the Amish to see what works and what doesn’t.
People have done this but what I’m envisioning is something in more direct contact and dialogue with broader society. Rural ICs are cool but they are a bit isolated. Not to mention, most people live in cities and probably won’t want to move to the country. So I think this idea would work better as embedded in an urban area.
We all could put money together and go start some intentional communities out in Oregon or something.
This sort of thing was attempted many times in the 60s and 70s. They tended to devolve into the kind of petty authoritarianism you see in homeowners associations, then chaos, then nothing.
Hell, we can look at the Amish to see what works and what doesn’t.
Religious fanaticism works for them.
Lovely. This is refreshing between all the news about people losing their jobs and the economy booming. At least the shareholders are happy. Yay!
Vote 3rd party in 2024 and let’s end capitalism before it ends us
Why is this post getting spammed with political shit?
Stop using my posts for propaganda
The heat death of the universe won’t be political at all…
Vote 3rd party and lock in the orange man’s reign for us all!
Yeah! Get Trump elected! That makes change happen!
You can vote for a real candidate if you so choose :)
As much as being someone outside the US, who enjoys the waning US hegemony over the 3rd world countries thanks to Trump’s fuckery all around, and strongly disliking how Joe has rightfully earned the “Genocide” nick these last months despite all his awesome domestic policies, I’d still urge you without any doubt to vote for Biden this election.
Orange jello may have weakened the iron grip of the US in exploitation of the 3rd world countries, but not without aims to replace them with other entities as sinister as the current ones.
3rd party alternatives you have will not amount to a solidified support for anything you want. Conservatives and right wingers are always extremely consolidated on their voting habits, no matter what they complain about or whom they dislike, never make mistakes about that. They are not borderline fascists without a reason.
Don’t make the mistakes that we did in Turkey in last years election. Left, as always, bickered about most things among themselves, rightfully so but in the worst timing, and right just said “We’ll vote for whatever secondary right-wing shell parties there are but we’ll support Erdoğan no matter what including the horribly foreseen earthquake disaster shortly before the elections.”.
Your voting system forces you to this choice, sadly. Antics, rebellious voting, forcing ideals without having proper steps in place will not help you achieve what you want, unless by force, which the civil systems of administration are there to put bloodless alternative.
You are free to spend your vote one whatever makes more sense for you, but consider what people closer to your views have been urging for your sense to work better.
Again, You can vote for a real candidate if you so choose :).
You’re really trying to defend the better of 2 evils here, which makes you just as bad as your genojoe buddy
