• gmtom@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I mean I’m pretty anti-war, but assuming my country isn’t the aggressor then I would probably enlist, epseicallly since given my skills (and age) I wouldn’t be on the front lines anyway.

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      If you live in a America or Russia chances are 90% that your country is the aggressor.

      You’re just gonna hear stories about heroically defending “defending” Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan while mass bombing civilians.

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        Cool, good thing I’m not American then.

        Ans also realistically ww3 would start with American and other allies defending Taiwan from invasion.

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          I dont think China wants to make the first move. America is starting to create an uprising in the middle east right now by keeping israel’s genocide going which could be an actual catalyst. When America is busy elsewhere China will likely try to annex Taiwan.

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              This is fantastic stuff.
              So if we’re talking about the broader picture, i.e. Hamas being a product of Israeli policy, then we must talk only about what has gone on since Oct 7th. But if we want to talk specifically about the genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza that’s been happening since Oct 7th, we must instead focus on the 80 years before that date.
              Fantastic stuff.

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                Yup. Kinda like how if we focus on genocide, which let me be clear I think is a perfectly reasonable issue to be a single issue voter over, we’re accused of being a single issue voter. But if we list other things too just to get the point across then we’re entitled children who are just angry we didn’t get everything we wanted.

                Fantastic stuff indeed.

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    8 months ago

    If they hand you a gun and tell you to march off to die in a foreign land, turn the gun around on your killer.

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      LOL, the support of Ukraine is happening exactly so we don’t get WW3 and won’t have to send our soldiers to fight.

      Anyone who thinks Ukraine is Russia’s ultimate goal is extremely naive.

      It wasn’t Crimea, it wasn’t Georgia, it wasn’t Chechnya. It won’t stop until

      Here’s a quick summary of what it is about: https://youtu.be/M6tsp4mFix8

      This is a book published in 1997 which Putin was following and largely until full invasion of Ukraine everything was going smoothly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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        Ffs. Russia is not going to fight NATO. Why’d they attack Georgia in 2008? Answer: To prevent them from joining NATO. Why’d they attack Ukraine? Answer: to prevent them from joining NATO. Russia is not dumb enough to fight anything that can throw nukes, that’s why they’re preventing the NATO umbrella from covering (what they consider to be) their sphere of influence.

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          If so, those were magnificent own goals. Ukraine wasn’t going to join nato until the little green men showed up, and Sweden and Finland didn’t want to join nato until the full scale invasion. Nato was languishing before all this happened, now they’re re-arming.

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          Their plan isn’t to fight NATO directly. It’s to instigate domestic political support in foreign countries against entities like NATO and the EU, and push nationalism and isolationism and defeatism into enough people’s heads so that the bigger countries think it isn’t worth fighting Russia to defend another smaller country that is not their own. It’s about killing the idea of article 5 and thus NATO’s reason to exist, so that Russia can confront each country on a bilateral basis where they have the military advantage if no one is coming to their defense.

          This probably wont happen with an assault on a major urban area, but little chunks of unpopulated Finland or Norway. How willing would the American public be to send pilots to die for Lapland? If the major powers blink and don’t feel like committing, Russia continues to escalate, like they’ve been doing for the past 15 years

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    My kid doesn’t particularly want to fight, but she’s ok with guns and convinced anarchy will be good for the environment?! Idk, she’s not dumb, but these kids have less stake in the institutions than MAGA retirees…

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    I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I’m absolutely fighting.

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      That’s how they do it, you know. Build up the enemy as this absolutely big bad that you feel you have to.

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        Russia attacks my country

        “You know, that’s how they do it, they make Russia feel like the big bad enemy you have to fight against”

        Lmao WHAT?!? If they’re literally attacking my country then of course I’m fighting to defend it??

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          Look mate, all I’m saying is that Russia is saying the same things to their citizens. And Germans were saying the same things to theirs. And the Pope was saying the same things to the crusaders.

          Likewise, a country is just imaginary, made by the rich to separate who can exploit the people in a specific geography. By all means, fight for it, but just know you’re being played.

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            Russia literally attack my country, Russian soldiers are pouring over the border, I’m about to join to defend it

            “You know Pope told the same thing to crusaders, besides countries are imaginary, why do you care if you live in your own country or as part of Russia under Putin. You are just being played.”

            Lmao, you people can’t be serious, this is beyond fucking stupid

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                wants to defend my country from Russia literally attacking and trying to invade it

                “You do you mate”

                I’m in awe. This has been the best exchange I’ve had in quite some while. I’m almost too flabbergasted to laugh