Some friends I just can’t shake
hard enough
around the neck
with a firm grip
Somebody that’s actively trying to end my existence isn’t a friend.
Aw come on… they’re not trying to end your existence. They just don’t want to be alive or exist.
Okay wait actually some DO want to end your existence directly. But most wished if you just died.
Most of them would be fine if you just denied everything about yourself that didn’t conform and pretended to be just like them.
Editors note: This only applies if you’re a white man. Other demographics are not allowed to conform.
No, you forget about, “the good ones.”
Just don’t ever expect your existence to change their beliefs. Hell you could climb the ranks in the party even make it to the Supreme Court. As long as you have no problem shutting the door on people who look just like you because of the way they look.
I love that they excuse their vote as anything else.
I just want a tax cut. (and don’t care about the republic or my friends’ lives)
And said tax cut will work like this:
Step 1: Before it happens, you’re asked to publicly dream about what an extra $4000 will do for you on social media. Step 2: Once it passes, you get a 0.1% tax cut. Enough for one extra pizza. Per year. The bill will also includes 3 tax raises only for the poor, one every 4 years that follow. Step 3: The corporation you work for, meanwhile, gets a 16% tax cut. With it, they’ll announce a $2000 one-time payment to all workers. Which will be rescinded as soon as it’s been reported about on local news. The bill also includes 3 further, even bigger tax cuts for the rich, one every 4 years.
End result: taxes raised on the poor, taxes lowered for the rich, but lots of social media euphoria from the working class, lots of newspaper clippings of bosses giving their workers generous one-time payments (that never materialized). And next election cycle, Fox News can dig up all the happy reports and the truth of the matter has never even entered the attention span of the royally-effed-over working class voters.
It’s ok not tolerating intolerant people.
There’s nothing a conservative hates more than being judged by who they are as people. They think that tolerance means being a complete moral vacuum and accepting any sort of malevolence and violence. This is because they see people being tolerant of PoC, queer people and non-Christians and they also see membership in those categories as moral failings.
I have [a] conservative family.
To be conservative in 2024, you have to dismiss that some people in our community are miserable and every day we leave them to their fate is heinous.
In the US, a failure to vote [against] any given Republican (by voting [for] an opposing democrat) is another step towards autocracy and genocide. Every Republican in office is a force towards the Heritage Foundation’s 2025 project, by which they will unmake the meager democratic features and civil rights that remain in the US.
Conservatives believe, by the natural extrapolation of their positions and behavior, I have no right to exist. (Curiously, this includes my own father, who simultaneously facilitates political efforts seeking out my extinction while expressing a dissonant interest in my well-being. He doesn’t dare connect the two in his mind.)
I’m so terribly sorry.
You both deserve to exist and most likely rock out loud :)
A conservative you are guilted into seeing occasionally? We call that family
I have friends
OK you don’t have to brag.
I have conservative friends. Almost all of them oppose Trump. The point you think you’re making isn’t as clear as you think. The narrative of someone using the “I’m a conservative and I’m being silenced/discriminated” isn’t coming from actual conservatives but rather from MAGA and white nationalist clowns pushing a hateful, un-Christian, not actually classic conservative agenda.
I don’t care what you believe or what direction you lean politically. I won’t be friends with jerkoffs and assholes.
That being said, all my friends are left-leaning. 🤷♂️
Why are they leaving the left? Seems kinda sus
Thanks! Auto-carrot kind of screwed me there. I fixed it.
Have a good day stranger.
I have a couple of conservative friends. We just don’t talk about politics or the issues of the day. Surprisingly it’s not that hard.
No no no, don’t you see? You need to cutoff all communication with them and get them arrested and ruin their lives bro.
I mean, I’m sorry, but if they believe that abortion is baby murder, black people are predisposed to being criminals, poor people don’t deserve to have healthcare, and trans kids should have to live in a miserable hell that makes them want to commit suicide, I’m not going to just “not talk about it” and stay friends with them. If your morals are that fucked, I can’t in good conscience call you a friend.
Do you think this is what “conservative” means, like completely honestly?
I think that’s what mainstream US conservatism and its adherents think that’s what “conservative” means. And honestly, that’s pretty much been the undercurrent of US conservatism for over 20 years, they’re just now saying the quiet parts out loud.
Have you been living under a rock the past ~8 years? Those bullet points are central to the current GOP’s platform. That’s what you’re voting for when you vote republican.
so I guess that means I’m pro bomb since I voted Biden 2020. damn. ill let the kids know
If this is in reference to Israel, every US president has been pro Israel since the creation of Israel. There is no anti-bomb option.
it’s not in reference to a particular policy. that there is no anti-bomb option is my point. just because you vote for a person doesn’t mean their actions become your personal politics
Wouldn’t a Muslim friend be conservative?
From persnoal experience, not really. Only some are, just like how some Christians are too and not all of them. Humans will always human, no matter the label.
Honestly when I lived in the US, the Conservative xtian thing really surprised me.
Here in the UK xtians tend to be left of center. And the center is historica,ly way more left then the US left.
US Conservative ideals really do not seem even close to the xtian teaching I grew up around.
That’s because all the conservative Christians either got kicked out, fled, or otherwise ended up in the New World a few centuries ago. They really lean into the prosperity gospel nowadays as well, which is all kinds of problematic.
Seriously flawed view of europeen religiose history. Most of the last 200 years has been way more Conservative then current us.
Even mild progerivism only started to take hold in Europe ixtians n the 1900s.
The paradox of tolerance says if we tolerate intolerance, then intolerance will dominate. Or something.
The social contract solution is pretty solid. If you are intolerant of other people first, you lose protection of the contract and others will be intolerant of you without penalty.
The problem on Lemmy is that this gets combined with overgeneralized binary thinking, and all loosely “conservative” people get strawmanned as the intolerant outgroup, which, when this happens, actually does make you the guilty party.
Then maybe it’s time to start considering if conservative values have a place in our world? What does being conservative entail other than limiting the freedoms of other humans and refusing to spend money on anything but the military? Please give me a legitimate reason why we need to resist progress?
Because the feelings of the people who would be affected negatively by progress are as valid as yours.
Okay but if progress means validating people who are made to feel invalid by a lack of progress, we’re just in the tolerance paradox with different words.
Who would be affected negatively by progress but the extremely wealthy?
There’s a general difference between conservative and regressive, or reactionary. Being conservative in the true meaning of the word can simply mean that you have a preference to wait and see, to, if in doubt, stick with the old and trusted. And there’s nothing wrong with that: It’s a good idea to have new ideas, but following every new idea blindly? Not so much. Society needs inertia, and that means both moving forward and not moving faster than we can actually adapt to ourselves changing. And we all have that in us. To different degrees, but it doesn’t get more than 70% progressive or 70% conservative, in my observation.
That’s because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with lentil stew. It is, like so many things, tradition, “tradition” in the sense of a sum of successful innovations. Does anyone here have any problems with traditional woodwork? No? Thought so. Even the woodworking innovators respect it.
How to distinguish reactionaries from such true conservatives? Easy, actually: Reactionaries will invoke a past that never was, trying to move there, betraying that they’re actually terminally misguided progressives. They do that in defence of failed innovations – such as the nuclear family, or capitalism, or whatever.
I appreciate your honest response but, I haven’t heard those intentions from anyone claiming to be conservative until just now.
I think it’s fine to celebrate traditions, even fine to share them when asked, or offer to share them with people you know. My family makes these really specific pancakes for holidays, I love making those, great tradition. Some families deny their children basic healthcare because, traditionally their faith tells them to and that’s child abuse, awful tradition. I get what you mean but it’s a pretty shaky argument. As for waiting and reacting, how much longer do we need to wait to react to things like climate change, the homelessness epidemic, the opioid crisis, childhood cancer? If any of your traditions are against solving those problems, I’m sorry but I’m against those traditions and they aren’t compatible with modern society.
I’m curious, why not find a new title for your political beliefs, and shame modern conservatives who line their pockets with money from big corporations? Sounds like the conservative badge isn’t quite reflecting what you’d like it to anymore.
I’m curious, why not find a new title for your political beliefs, and shame modern conservatives who line their pockets with money from big corporations? Sounds like the conservative badge isn’t quite reflecting what you’d like it to anymore.
I’m an Anarchist, a widely misunderstood term. I thus emphasise with actual conservatives who are similarly misunderstood, is all.
how much longer do we need to wait to react to things like climate change, the homelessness epidemic, the opioid crisis, childhood cancer?
We don’t. Oh wait opioid crisis you mean the US, and your use of epidemic isn’t hyperbole.
E.g. farmers over here don’t mind environmentalism, they mind being told what to do by Greens who fail to care about farmers still being able to earn a living – they’re getting squeezed by supermarkets and agricultural subsidies, for decades, were designed to kill off family-sized farms. People don’t mind electric cars they mind having to pay for a new one, doubly so while absolutely nothing got invested into rail over the decades and the FDP penny-pinched the 49 Euro ticket. People don’t mind new building developments they mind that what gets built (by private developers) is way too expensive. People, and this is very telling, don’t mind wind mills as such they mind not owning them: In SH, on the countryside, where mills are largely owned by municipal cooperatives, everyone is in favour, in MV, where they don’t have much money at all to invest, they do mind as it’s big corporations from the city who put the mills there. And this goes deep, studies show how subsonic noise emissions from those mills are calming to one group and a stressor for the other.
Things like cars and intensive, import-dependent agriculture aren’t actually successful innovations, but mobility of people and everyone being fed are successful innovations. It’s especially in these areas where trouble arises when so-called progressives declare the unsuccessful part evil but don’t bother to protect the successful parts, thinking their part is done by fighting something, instead of building something new to replace it.
So, how long do we need to take until the US gets its act together? Exactly as long as it takes for progressives to realise that everything is going to change much faster if they care about being popular with the conservative crowd. Not the MAGAs and crazy evangelicals, forget about them, they’re a symptom, not a cause.
Oh, last thing: Jehovah’s Witnesses over here accept blood donations etc. for their kids. They had to change doctrine to get the status of a public-law church. I think they used an anabaptist-like “religious duty only starts when you’re old enough to practice it” kind of reasoning – that’s a good innovation, isn’t it?
I think you fail to account for the people that just don’t care or are too (morally or otherwise) corrupt to care. You will not get a CxU voter to vote for anything else than their christian conservative values where anything against the status quo is bad.
A simple fact is that actions to minimize climate change will never be popular because it will affect most people in significant ways and it will hurt. We still need to do this, though. Conservatives are so hyperfocused on not changing anything and making other people’s lives miserable that they cannot see what is coming to all of us not in the far future but potentially really soon.
There is no time to appease the conservatives and do things more their way to be more popular, because as the Americans say “if you give an inch they take a mile”. Nothing will happen and that is something we all can’t afford.
What it ultimately comes down to is corporate interest. Conservative parties will do nothing until it is in the interest of the corporations that fund them and their corrupt politicians. As you can see with the 49€ ticket, the railway maintenance or basically anything in control of FDP, CxU or SPD
Well, there is a value in conserving nature and the environment. It’s just that somehow conservative values generally contradict conserving things that are in danger, really.
Yeah, my mind has completely separated conservation with conservative. Most folks I know concerned with conservation efforts, are progressive. Most conservatives I know, want to watch the world burn to turn a profit.
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