This bill must be funded by VPN services because anyone who thinks teens won’t figure out a workaround has never tried to stop teens from anything. Disobeying is what they do on an evolutionary level.
Also using sites such as “This Person Doesn’t Exist” to generate am AI pic of a human could be used for profile pics.
spot-on observation. always follow the money
Good, the kids could use the tech experience
Banning Social Media FOR KIDS. Is just a quick means to spy on what ADULTS are getting up to on the Internet. Right now if you don’t want to ID yourself to go see cat pics/videos on Instagram/TikTok, you can just sign up for an account and go searching for cat pics/videos. With this bill, if you want to go find cat pics/videos on Instagram/TikTok in the state of Florida, you’ll have to submit a government ID to verify that you’re not a kid, and I’d believe for about as long as I can breathe water that the linking of my real identity/government ID with a social media account will have no negative real world outcomes.
Cybersecurity is something that almost nobody takes seriously. I used to say that nobody takes it seriously until they’re hurt by their poor cyber hygiene, but these days the insurance policies pay the same either way so companies/people still do the bare minimum and call it a day.
I’d much rather pay a VPN provider to be out of that jurisdiction than ever give anyone anything that concretely ties my online persona to my actual identity and it’s just incredible that lawmakers so fundamentally misunderstand how this all works that they don’t know it’s that easy.
Is this based on a gov ID? I didn’t see that in the article.
How else do you think they’d do age verification? It’s the same way they do it for porn sites, you upload you DL/passport/ID to verify your age. The difference here is that now these
data brokersocial media companies now have a hard link to your identity instead of a pretty strong inference, and are able to shore up their advertising profiles in an unprecedented way.
Sounds totally enforceable!
That’ll end well…
The smarter kids will just go in and change their bday or create a new account that has them old enough. The only way to prevent that is to make them verify ID on every single person logging in from a Florida based ip or is a resident. But, what about those who are traveling from other states, should they also be forced to upload ID? I’m going to say no.
NOBODY should have to to upload any sort of ID to use the internet. The issue began when corporations started getting involved. Fuck Ajit Pai, Ethan Zuckerman and the political world all tied to this. Amazon is trying to force people to upload ID for refunds… pathetic.
Oh I wholly agree. The point of that was to illustrate what you have to do to enforce it properly. It’s the same as trying to force porn sites to ID their users.
As for Amazon, I have not heard anything about this and I recently did a couple of returns with no request for my license. Also, you may not be aware but stores like home depot already require ID to return items and they (with the help of a 3rd party) keep a credit file of sorts on you and uses that determine who has been abusing the return process.
If it’s illegal in the state for residents then it will be illegal for those traveling too
I’m not sure you follow. I’m postulating whether or not say facebook would have to lock someones account and force them to upload ID because they happened to have browsed it while inside the state. This would not be looked upon kindly by other states.
They would force ID check from anyone accessing from inside Florida. Once they left Florida they could access freely. A 16 yr old from Georgia on spring breakin Florida would have to age verify until they went home, at which point the verification would no longer be required.
Not only smart kids get alcohol and marijuana even in states/countries where it’s illegal. Still, an age limit helps since parents know they have to keep an eye on it.
We do know that social media can be harmful - especially for kids, but many parents probably still don’t. I think an age restriction is the right thing to do. I don’t think you need a flawless system for age verification.
None of that is how this works. Forcing companies like fb that I wouldn’t trust with a recipe to store (even temporarily) copies of peoples ID or other documents is not the same as having a store eyeball an ID or in the case of some places swipe or scan the ID card to verify that’s its legit.
I don’t disagree about certain versions of social media coupled with the angst and issues with being a kid not being healthy and I’ve kept my use to a min even going so far as deleting my fb years ago. That said, these type of laws do nothing but the opposite of their intentions.
What we need is all kids sitting through a class about the good and bad about social media and teaching them how to be safe and smart when interacting online.
I’d suggest you think through what can and will happen when random support people have access to peoples IDs. Hint, they won’t be sending them cookies.
Seriously. This kind of thing doesn’t work online unless you go the China route and if you want that, you can kindly move to a country already doing it and let’s keep some semblance of common sense here.
No need to be so condescending - I do agree that online age verification is absolutely not what we want. That’s what I meant with my last sentence and should have mentioned specifically.
I argue we don’t necessarily need any verification - do it like porn sites do. Yeah, I now, kids watch porn but it’s far harder to hide from your parents on platforms they use themselves and the core function is to network and not create multiple accounts.
It would also require that social media sites use “reasonable age verification methods” to verify users’ ages.
Please no :/
This is very obviously unenforceable
At least not without major violations to privacy.
Bah they’ll just do it in secret instead of openly.
Ah yes, just what Florida needs: even more closeted everything.
What is Gaetz going to do?
Another highschooler?
Nothing will change. The adult filters didn’t work 30+ years ago and they don’t work now.
I see at least 2 ways around this depending on how it’s implemented.
- Either update age info to be “old enough”
Or
- Use a vpn that has you accessing it from anywhere but Florida.
This is just one more waste of time that will be struck down by a court assuming it makes into law.
The companies could use geolocation to comply. That’s how the sportsbooks do it anyway.
Please read my comment again. Unless someone is sharing their GPS, all they have to go on is the ip address. This is why a lot of people vpn into other countries to watch things on Netflix that aren’t available where they are.
This also brings up another point. For reasons unknown, sometimes my cell phone ip address comes back as a Florida ip. If I happened to access it via an ip that geolocates to Florida they would have force me to verify my ID to keep using it. That opens them up to potentially having way more verifications to process and a much larger attack surface for identity theft not to mention the millions of people and their representatives that will be extremely pissed off.
He could try dating a little older. 17 for example
Wow, broken clock and all that.
No one should be banned from equal internet access for any reason. 🤦🤦🤦
See, this is why I hate DeSantis and the right wing. They crow about freedom of speech from one end and shit crap like this out of the other.
I can get behind the spirit of the bill, but I wouldn’t hold my breath when it comes to enforcement.
The spirit behind the bill is “We need more control over the children so we can indoctrinate them ourselves!”
And to stifle their voices
Or just let them discover random fucking propaganda on their own and bad examples on social media and become an Andrew Tate jr by the age of 17 or some extremist little fucker, or just be an indecent human being if you don’t want such an extreme example.
This bill will do jack shit, but so are the parents who put smartphones in their kids hands as early as possible and let them browse the internet unsupervised.
Just to be clear I do not agree with the bill in this form and the whole “provide an ID” bullshit, but I really don’t think young children should be allowed on social media.
Florida has been banning books talking about racism and LGBT people from school library. I guarantee to you, this is not about preventing anyone from becoming extremist fuckers.
When it comes to Florida, sounds about right.
why
Why don’t they just tax the websites you access? VPNs would go crazy
How?
what a fucking dogshit state. not that social media is good for anyone, but restricting kids from one of their main forms of communication / news / outlet to the world is just designed to be obnoxious.
even best case scenario, active malice aside, these people somehow have zero memory of what it was like to be a kid; having to wake up for school at 6am and do endless homework for no material benefit, and now this
